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Old 07.17.2006, 08:45 PM   #21
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"Caution" from the Chameleons is in 6/8, i believe. great song.
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Old 07.17.2006, 08:50 PM   #22
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haha what? so you would... just play in 4/4 always (which isnt all that uncommon...?) or they couldn't do that even? explain
No, like they would come up with these bizarre riffs that made no mathematical sense at all. Like there would be a random eighth-note at the end or something. I just had to figure out a beat that worked with it or tell them to add or subtract a beat or something. It was my first band and I hardly knew what I was doing, and I didn't understand rhythm enough to analyze and play it, so it got real stressful trying to keep up with new songs and remember all the little oddities.
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Old 07.17.2006, 08:54 PM   #23
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My Sweet Prince by Placebo 3/4? I think.
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Old 07.17.2006, 08:55 PM   #24
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songs not in 4/4?

My Wave - Soundgarden
Tornadoes - Butthole Surfers
LOTS of zappa, Frank and Dweezil alike
Money - Pink Floyd
No Aloha - The Breeders
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Old 07.17.2006, 08:55 PM   #25
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(acousticrock87) oooh yeah. it can be really annoying trying to come up with a different beat in like.. 5/4 and then have another song in 5/4 (just an example) and try to come up with a different beat... its rewarding though. aha
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Old 07.17.2006, 08:59 PM   #26
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Ya but it wasn't even that. It would be usually something in 4/4 but with an extra eighth-note. Like I guess that would be something like 9/8, to give it a sort of edgy metal sound. It's easy to just come up with a sporadic off-kilter guitar riff like that, but when it comes to playing an interesting beat over it it was out of my league.

Like:

1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 1 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 1 1
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Old 07.17.2006, 09:14 PM   #27
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yeah
when im too tired out and stuff, i usually resort to really sorta.. simplified beats, like.. (5/4 just to keep with 5/4)
*edit, ahhh fuck it doesn't keep the spacing patterns i make!!! *Wahhhh anyways.. it ws just
bass snare bass bass snare repeated.. or
bass snare bass snare snare ... etc
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Old 07.17.2006, 11:53 PM   #28
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i always wondered:

how do you tell the difference between say... 8/4 and 4/4, how do you know its 8/4 and not 4/4 with eighth notes.


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Old 07.17.2006, 11:58 PM   #29
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You mean the difference between 4/4 and 4/8. It's played the same, but written differently. The same exact thing written in 4/4 would be twice as fast played in 4/8, but if you're just explaining what a song is being played in, it doesn't matter.
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Old 07.18.2006, 12:05 AM   #30
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yeah 4/8 thats what i meant. your explation is about what i thought.
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Old 07.18.2006, 12:14 AM   #31
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You mean the difference between 4/4 and 4/8. It's played the same, but written differently. The same exact thing written in 4/4 would be twice as fast played in 4/8, but if you're just explaining what a song is being played in, it doesn't matter.

I think you mean 8/4. It's played the same as 4/4 but the bars are twice as long (8 beats in a measure). The same thing written in 4/8 would be twice as fast as 4/4, like you said. But 4/4 and 4/8 are not played the same. I think I just misinterpreted your post. This is cool, I didn't think a lot of you knew stuff about reading music. Can any of you guys read music? Like notes, not tabs? Personally, I think tabs are a pain to read. Notes are so much easier. I guess people are just too lazy to learn to read music.
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Old 07.18.2006, 12:31 AM   #32
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In other words,4/8 is just 4/4 cut in half.
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Old 07.18.2006, 01:48 AM   #33
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I didn't mean they were played the same, but that you can't tell the difference by listening to a song whether it's 4/4 or 4/8. It's just a preference of organization, depending on the piece and which it best fits. Although, 8/4 would be impossible to differentiate, too. I hadn't thought of that.

I think I do have a wrong concept of what the value is, though. One bar of 4/8 would be equivalent to a half bar of 4/4, then, but with twice as many beats? I think that's why I said it's twice as fast. I'm not even sure anymore.
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Old 07.18.2006, 02:06 AM   #34
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Old 07.18.2006, 09:13 AM   #35
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tool - lateralus 9/8 8/8 7/8 then the main 6/4
most of a perfect circles catalogue is in 6/8
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I didn't mean they were played the same, but that you can't tell the difference by listening to a song whether it's 4/4 or 4/8. It's just a preference of organization, depending on the piece and which it best fits. Although, 8/4 would be impossible to differentiate, too. I hadn't thought of that.

I think I do have a wrong concept of what the value is, though. One bar of 4/8 would be equivalent to a half bar of 4/4, then, but with twice as many beats? I think that's why I said it's twice as fast. I'm not even sure anymore.

I figured I misinterpreted your post. You're right about one bar of 4/8 being half a bar of 4/4. In 4/4, you're counting whole notes, while in 4/8 you're counting eighth notes ,which are half of a whole note, or half a beat. But they both 4/4 and 4/8 have 4 beats a measure/bar.
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Old 07.19.2006, 12:27 AM   #38
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the beginning superimposes 3/4 on 4/4.

stravinskys rite of spring change time signatures umm often.

yeah i read music but it was a bitch going from tab to music. in highschool i forced myself to learn to read music but everytime there would be tab and "music" together i would always go to the tab.
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