[DeadDiscoDildo]

This is more for the elitists rather than the noise fans but.


I've always been fascinated with combining beatlesque pop and classical music (even tho that's kind of baroque pop?) but also combining my other musical influences like nirvana, sonic youth, and other punk and noise groups. I also then started getting into lots of Greek music and found a connection between that and Surf Rock etc.

That's been a passion of mine for a few years now.


Fact is I'm not a student, and find things on my own. I have never taken theory or studied classical music and the only way I got my hands on Greek music was through my family.

So my question is: Any other kinds of obscure ethnic music/rare or just not mainstream classical music you guys would reccomend for me?

I'm always up for studying new kinds of (old) music that would help broaden my knowledge so I can keep mixing the OLD with the NEW.


I hope this made sense, I'm a little high... Apologies.

I asked the question here because I can hide in my lack of musical history knowledge and learn from alot of elitists. Because you are all, knowledgable elitists. Now take pride in that.

[Pookie]

Can I be the first to say: TWAT.

[DeadDiscoDildo]

elitist.

[Danny Himself]

You're talking about the dreaded 'world music' here?

Just listen to Tom Waits and Paul Simon. It's a hell of a lot easier.

The way I got your post is that you are trying to draw inspiration from music other than the rock/pop format, and all their common mutations in the western world, am I right? Try the world music thread, or ask the more classically inclined posters on here. Not sure what you want to mix those with, so careful not to push yourself into a situation where you will be prone to spectacular failure if it turns out to be just a stylistic choice born out of boredom.

[DeadDiscoDildo]

No.

Just different classical works or composers that you guys like. & the world music if any of you listen to anything.

Bits of all music is linked man, there wouldn't be noise music if there wasn't rock first, there wouldn't be rock if there wasn't r&b/blues/jazz and there wouldn't be blues or jazz without gospel and church music that they sang in the fields. Most music links back to classical anyways. You can even hear it in My Bloody Valentine.

Edit: whoops, replying to danny not you sarramkrop. And yeah, you pretty much nailed what I was trying to say. I'm not as high as before so I think I can make more sense now. Basically I haven't been here long enough to know the classically inclined posters. I was trying to draw them out :-P

And yeah I know what you mean, otherwise u end up with a band like System of a Down.
Basically I do beatlesque songs with surf rock/greek undertones in a punk delivery and it's working out well for us but it's still very much my own sound that I've created. But now I'm writing slower songs and the melodies and chords are all there. I just want to explore new ideas to fill in and smooth out those songs. I'm looking for new undertones?

Erm...

[Danny Himself]

OK OK OK.

Youtube these chaps for instant latin charm;

Marc Ribot Y Los Cubanos Postizos
Perez Prado
Juan Garcia Esquivel

[DeadDiscoDildo]

lol @ yr sig btw danny, story of our lives.

I'll check those artists out right now thanks!

[DeadDiscoDildo]

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

Erm...

Edited.

[Kloriel]

i racoon this band because they have
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzHtO...eature=related

[acousticrock87]

Nusrat Fateh Ali Kahn.

He's not too obscure, but if you haven't heard him check some of his stuff out. It's not classical, but it has a very ethnic-classic sound to it, and it's surprisingly accessible for being so foreign (Pakistani, I think). It has elements of modern pop in it.

EDIT: Also, his studio stuff is pretty eastern-pop. His live stuff and older stuff (80s, maybe) is more traditional.

[fugazifan]

you might like indonesian gamelan music. the two best collections that i have heard, is one called i think Bali on naxos and the best one
is
Bali music from the morning of the world. i think its on nonesuch records. its great, and mr bungle on the last track of california, sang (i dont know if it was intentional or not) part of track 7 from this album.

are you familiar with the sun city girls?

anything released on sublime frequencies is well worth a listen.

as for classical music, what do you mean by that? baroque>? gallant, neo classical romantic?
what composers do you like?
id defiantly recomend listening to early to mid 17th century music. really amazing, avant garde/ beautiful stuff. monteverdi, caccini, and later on , shutz, purcell, correlli (his trio sonatas are fantastic)

if you want earlier, try 14th century ars nova music from the likes of machaut

i also really like perotin and leonin, they are 12 century notre dame polyphony. amazing textures of sound. they had an influence on 20th century minimalist music.

im recomending the earlier stuff because i know it a bit better, and less people are likely going to recomend this to you.
if you want monophony than i would recomend (and glice as well i belive) hildegard von bingen

i hope i was at all helpful...

[DeadDiscoDildo]

yeah man that was actually very helpful. I'll check all of this stuff out tonight! By baroque I meant like Brian Wilson and The Beatles as well as a few other bands were doing in the 60s. Putting classical music into pop music. They say there are modern baroque pop bands, I think they all suck. So I try to do it in a very simple way. Like it was originally done.

I've got a good grasp on pop but I really want to explore the classical side than I currently have been.

Thanks for your input and etc. keep it coming if there are other composers or musical projects that you think I would like.

I'll let you know what I think after I check out the stuff, probably tomorrow.

word

[narlus]

listen to The Intercontinental radio show on wednesdays from 5PM on wmbr (88.1), MIT's radio station.

[Glice]

I'm not sure I understand the question, but John Dowland's songbooks are a fair link between pop and older music. Mark Padmore's recent rendition seems to be the best of the ones I've heard. Avoid Sting's rendition like AIDS.

On the other hand, you might quite like that second life CD that a few people have been banging on about - lots of church modes (but not ultimately that interesting to my ears).

[Toilet & Bowels]

yeah man, classical music and shit, and you know when it's mixed with rock n roll, and like ethnic music from around the world also, that's something that can be really awesome.

[Radioactive Poltergeist]

You don't really need to mix classical music and pop. I mean, if you listen to some of Mozart’s sonatas or operas you have the mix already and most people who go further end up producing awful music. I think the whole point of prog rock was to try and reproduce classical techniques in rock music, and the majority of talent less hacks who tried ended up producing pedantic and joyless music.

African music makes for some interesting mixes with Western music. Ali Farka Toure is a Mali musician who plays traditional folk music from Mali with strong influences from American Blues, which is pretty cool.

Most attempts to synthesize different styles of music don't really work. You end up with complete failures like Gogol Bordello. Although, Bela Bartok wrote some very good pieces based on Hungarian, Romanian and Gypsy folk music which is definitely worth listening to.

Hala Strana also comes to mind. They are part of the Jeweled Antler Collective and they play Eastern European music mixed with drone and such.

I don't know, I'm not sure if this helps or not.

[Radioactive Poltergeist]

Originally Posted by Glice

I'm not sure I understand the question, but John Dowland's songbooks are a fair link between pop and older music.

The Kronos Quartet released this compilations where they play early music from the renaissance and medieval periods. Its okay, there is some good stuff on it. They throw in a few Harry Partch and Arvo Part pieces too.

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

I'm drinking right now

but I just skimmed your post

and Polvo sort of marries eastern music to indie pop/rock//noise rock//art rock//whatever the fuck you want to call it pretty well.

As far as music of other cultures

everything

I don't think there is such a thing as a culture with bad folk music (insert jokes here)