depression's got a hold on me...or something

fugazifan · 07.18.2009, 01:26 AM

(oops title should say hold of me....)
yeah so,
i dont develop romantic feelings that often. in fact since my last girlfriend, four years ago, i never really saw myself with anyone.
but over the past few months ive really gotten close to this girl. we really connect on a level that is really rare, and i had for a while doubted that i could connect with someone.
and i am crazy about her.
she is also an israeli christian arab.
two days ago i told her how i felt and she said that although she feels the same, it can never be. the reason is that her ex boyfriend was also not an arab (but was christian,, so me being jewish, and israeli does not help) and her society turned their lives into a living hell, and she cannot go through that again, or have me go through that.
long story short: i like girl, she likes me, but it can never be.

so ive been pretty depressed these past two days.
i hope i snap out of it soon.
but i do feel pretty terrible.

so yeah, just thought id share

Lamont Cranston · 07.18.2009, 01:44 AM

israeli christian arab
a minority, in a minority, in a racist country. That must be fun.
But cheer up, you could be me I've never had a girlfriend.

Zombie Robot · 07.18.2009, 01:55 AM

this is a sad thread.

dont be depressed.
ummm. love conquers all.
everything happens for a reason.
etc.

chrome noise tape · 07.18.2009, 02:14 AM

stupid religions! real love is above those crap! hit the road with her and go where you can love her in peace...and sex...ha! ha!

fugazifan · 07.18.2009, 02:17 AM

its true, agnostic is truth
anyhoo yeah
thanks for the responses

fugazifan · 07.18.2009, 02:21 AM

haha thanks.
dont get too worked up about it. itll be find. we are really good friends, i think i just need a few days of moping then ill be fine, or something...

pbradley · 07.18.2009, 02:27 AM

O the pain that hate brings into the world.

How dangerous would it be if you kept your relationship underground?

chrome noise tape · 07.18.2009, 02:28 AM

but been agnostic it's not another religious position (against?) point of view of the same thing? of God?

terriblecanyons · 07.18.2009, 02:34 AM

Atheism for the win.

fugazifan · 07.18.2009, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swa(y)

my take on being agnositic...at least for myself, is very religious. "religion" is anything one believes in, really....

i just think that, not believing in anything particular, but acknowledging that anything is possible, is a really healthy place to be. at least, for me personally.

i used to hate the term "agnostic". i dont anymore.

excacly
i feel that if i dont think that religious people cant prove that god exists, no one can really prove that there isnt anything out there.

and i offered to keep it underground, but no go

terriblecanyons · 07.18.2009, 02:38 AM

Eh. Being an Atheist, I don't really give a shit about any religion anyone chooses to follow unless they 1) attempt to shove it down my throat, 2) use it to harm others, 3) use it in a condescending manner against minorities, and 4) use it as a basis to think only they are correct and believe everything else should be rejected as it goes against the word of (insert religious book here).

How much happier would the world be without religion? it's hard to say. Although religion would no longer be used as a basis to hate entire groups of people, who's to say something else wouldn't take its place...

dionysusundone · 07.18.2009, 02:39 AM

Agnosticism is a good thing really. I don't trust anyone that claims to have all the answers. Is spirituality a necessary thing in human existence? For sure, at least in our present era...maybe one day it won't be. But to believe one religion above others is....to me, kinda weird, and probably unhealthy.

pbradley · 07.18.2009, 02:48 AM

I love listening to atheologians talk about what they consider their selves to be.

terriblecanyons · 07.18.2009, 02:49 AM

o rly.

chrome noise tape · 07.18.2009, 02:55 AM

that's the main problem in the name of something spiritual, radical religious hate can ruin everything who was built with love (to poetic?)...you see? you don't belive in nothing Atheist or Agnostic but you already make your point of view!

pbradley · 07.18.2009, 02:57 AM

I'm bored with the Western tradition of framing all metaphysical philosophy around the binary dilemma of God's existence. Most of it is the result of a poor understanding of what "God" means, anyway.

In the practical sense, I have no need of metaphysics. In the philosophical sense, I refuse to adopt a position.

atsonicpark · 07.18.2009, 06:58 AM

Too sad for you to even write a proper response, fugazifan. Well, I'll try...

The world is sick. And it's easy for a lot of us, in our country, with our upbringing, to say "fuck what people think, she shouldn't care what people think either!" since feelings of love are somewhat universal. However, things are completely different over there, I assume. And that's shit, man.

fugazifan · 07.18.2009, 07:24 AM

aw you guys.....
i really wish that it was just a matter of her saying 'fuck what people say'. but theres so many other factors that go into it that i just will never understand.
i mean for me if someone toold me something like "you traitor how can you date an arab' id say FUCK YOU.
as well she might but she doesnt want her parents to have to deal with slander and whatnot.
this can become a really big deal here.
i mean if someone told my parents something around those lines, im sure that they would get a similar FUCK YOU but for her it is different. there is the whole family honor and stuff like that, which im pretty sure is a term foreign to almost EVERY american.

Diesel · 07.18.2009, 07:24 AM

Me and my muslim girlfriend have been underground for nearly two years now. tee hee

demonrail666 · 07.18.2009, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fugazifan

aw you guys.....
i really wish that it was just a matter of her saying 'fuck what people say'. but theres so many other factors that go into it that i just will never understand.
i mean for me if someone toold me something like "you traitor how can you date an arab' id say FUCK YOU.
as well she might but she doesnt want her parents to have to deal with slander and whatnot.
this can become a really big deal here.
i mean if someone told my parents something around those lines, im sure that they would get a similar FUCK YOU but for her it is different. there is the whole family honor and stuff like that, which im pretty sure is a term foreign to almost EVERY american.

Exactly. You're both caught up in something that's bigger than either of you. It's horrible that you're in that situation but if you can remain friends then maybe at some point in the future things may be different. I hope so, anyway. Other than that you just have to put it down to the overall shittiness of life and simply try to move on.

07.18.2009, 01:26 AM	#1
fugazifan invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,816	(oops title should say hold of me....) yeah so, i dont develop romantic feelings that often. in fact since my last girlfriend, four years ago, i never really saw myself with anyone. but over the past few months ive really gotten close to this girl. we really connect on a level that is really rare, and i had for a while doubted that i could connect with someone. and i am crazy about her. she is also an israeli christian arab. two days ago i told her how i felt and she said that although she feels the same, it can never be. the reason is that her ex boyfriend was also not an arab (but was christian,, so me being jewish, and israeli does not help) and her society turned their lives into a living hell, and she cannot go through that again, or have me go through that. long story short: i like girl, she likes me, but it can never be. so ive been pretty depressed these past two days. i hope i snap out of it soon. but i do feel pretty terrible. so yeah, just thought id share __________________ If there's been a way to build it, There'll be a way to destroy it, Things are not that out of control www.myspace.com/dellilahtheband www.myspace.com/lecirquedesvampiresmusic
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07.18.2009, 01:44 AM	#2
Lamont Cranston 100% Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 725	israeli christian arab a minority, in a minority, in a racist country. That must be fun. But cheer up, you could be me I've never had a girlfriend. __________________ This is how it will all end: not with floods, earthquakes, falling comets or gigantic crabs roaming the Earth. No, doomsday will start simply out of indifference.
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07.18.2009, 01:55 AM	#3
Zombie Robot expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dead Space Posts: 1,304	this is a sad thread. dont be depressed. ummm. love conquers all. everything happens for a reason. etc. __________________ "Seductive. Voluptuous. Ravenous. Beware of the Zombie Robot -- Creature that roams the night breaking men's hearts and then eats their brains for breakfast!"
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07.18.2009, 02:14 AM	#4
chrome noise tape the end of the ugly Join Date: May 2009 Location: Making The Nature Scene Posts: 935	stupid religions! real love is above those crap! hit the road with her and go where you can love her in peace...and sex...ha! ha!
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07.18.2009, 02:17 AM	#5
fugazifan invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,816	its true, agnostic is truth anyhoo yeah thanks for the responses __________________ If there's been a way to build it, There'll be a way to destroy it, Things are not that out of control www.myspace.com/dellilahtheband www.myspace.com/lecirquedesvampiresmusic
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07.18.2009, 02:21 AM	#6
fugazifan invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,816	haha thanks. dont get too worked up about it. itll be find. we are really good friends, i think i just need a few days of moping then ill be fine, or something... __________________ If there's been a way to build it, There'll be a way to destroy it, Things are not that out of control www.myspace.com/dellilahtheband www.myspace.com/lecirquedesvampiresmusic
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07.18.2009, 02:27 AM	#7
pbradley invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: SoKo Posts: 10,621	O the pain that hate brings into the world. How dangerous would it be if you kept your relationship underground?
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07.18.2009, 02:28 AM	#8
chrome noise tape the end of the ugly Join Date: May 2009 Location: Making The Nature Scene Posts: 935	but been agnostic it's not another religious position (against?) point of view of the same thing? of God?
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07.18.2009, 02:34 AM	#9
terriblecanyons invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: the land where large fuzzy dice still hang proudly like testicles from rear-view mirrors Posts: 5,949	Atheism for the win.
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07.18.2009, 02:38 AM	#11
terriblecanyons invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: the land where large fuzzy dice still hang proudly like testicles from rear-view mirrors Posts: 5,949	Eh. Being an Atheist, I don't really give a shit about any religion anyone chooses to follow unless they 1) attempt to shove it down my throat, 2) use it to harm others, 3) use it in a condescending manner against minorities, and 4) use it as a basis to think only they are correct and believe everything else should be rejected as it goes against the word of (insert religious book here). How much happier would the world be without religion? it's hard to say. Although religion would no longer be used as a basis to hate entire groups of people, who's to say something else wouldn't take its place...
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07.18.2009, 02:39 AM	#12
dionysusundone the end of the ugly Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 871	Agnosticism is a good thing really. I don't trust anyone that claims to have all the answers. Is spirituality a necessary thing in human existence? For sure, at least in our present era...maybe one day it won't be. But to believe one religion above others is....to me, kinda weird, and probably unhealthy. __________________ -James
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07.18.2009, 02:48 AM	#13
pbradley invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: SoKo Posts: 10,621	I love listening to atheologians talk about what they consider their selves to be.
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07.18.2009, 02:49 AM	#14
terriblecanyons invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: the land where large fuzzy dice still hang proudly like testicles from rear-view mirrors Posts: 5,949	o rly.
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07.18.2009, 02:55 AM	#15
chrome noise tape the end of the ugly Join Date: May 2009 Location: Making The Nature Scene Posts: 935	that's the main problem in the name of something spiritual, radical religious hate can ruin everything who was built with love (to poetic?)...you see? you don't belive in nothing Atheist or Agnostic but you already make your point of view!
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07.18.2009, 02:57 AM	#16
pbradley invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: SoKo Posts: 10,621	I'm bored with the Western tradition of framing all metaphysical philosophy around the binary dilemma of God's existence. Most of it is the result of a poor understanding of what "God" means, anyway. In the practical sense, I have no need of metaphysics. In the philosophical sense, I refuse to adopt a position.
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07.18.2009, 06:58 AM	#17
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	Too sad for you to even write a proper response, fugazifan. Well, I'll try... The world is sick. And it's easy for a lot of us, in our country, with our upbringing, to say "fuck what people think, she shouldn't care what people think either!" since feelings of love are somewhat universal. However, things are completely different over there, I assume. And that's shit, man. __________________
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07.18.2009, 07:24 AM	#18
fugazifan invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,816	aw you guys..... i really wish that it was just a matter of her saying 'fuck what people say'. but theres so many other factors that go into it that i just will never understand. i mean for me if someone toold me something like "you traitor how can you date an arab' id say FUCK YOU. as well she might but she doesnt want her parents to have to deal with slander and whatnot. this can become a really big deal here. i mean if someone told my parents something around those lines, im sure that they would get a similar FUCK YOU but for her it is different. there is the whole family honor and stuff like that, which im pretty sure is a term foreign to almost EVERY american. __________________ If there's been a way to build it, There'll be a way to destroy it, Things are not that out of control www.myspace.com/dellilahtheband www.myspace.com/lecirquedesvampiresmusic
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07.18.2009, 07:24 AM	#19
Diesel the destroyed room Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 595	Me and my muslim girlfriend have been underground for nearly two years now. tee hee
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