Big New Reference trend of the year

the ikara cult · 03.02.2007, 04:31 PM

I have a feeling the whole "No wave" thing might become a big reference point for alot of trendy bands over the next year. Seeing as every other aspect of 80s music seems to have been referenced to hell over the past 4 years it makes sense that the more avant garde sides of it will get credited (albeit in a more popularised, easier to listen to way... much like... Sonic Youth perhaps?) in the next decade. I dont expect a Glenn Branca NME cover, but kinda like Gang of four and Joy Division came back into fashion over the last 5 years or so.

auto-aim · 03.02.2007, 04:57 PM

You're wrong - this years thing, blatently, is going to be reformed bands.

the ikara cult · 03.02.2007, 05:04 PM

no no no reformed bands has been the thing of the last 3 years
Pixies
Gang of four (again)
Slint
Wedding Present
plus many others.
Theres noone else to reform except Pavement!

auto-aim · 03.02.2007, 05:27 PM

Yeah but its just absurd this year...

Dinosaur Jr - Well their first album with the reformed lot is dropping this year
Van halen
The Jam
Jesus and Mary chain
Genesis
Rage Against the Machine
Smashing Pumpkins
Sepultura (rumored)
The Police

there are a lot more rumoured too - something is going on. Like its been building up to 2007

the ikara cult · 03.02.2007, 05:31 PM

The trend has been going since the Pixies 3/4 years ago though. Since then everything has happened cos the Pixies reunion was so successful.
I dont really like the new Fall album "Reformation post-TLC" but the message in its title sums how things are. Why arent there new bands who really embody the spirit of these bands and dont just copy their style?

auto-aim · 03.02.2007, 05:35 PM

umm... because everything has been saturated to the point that its all style and no substance, there's no community spirit anymore and no worthwhile idols to look up to?

the ikara cult · 03.02.2007, 05:43 PM

I think youre right in many ways. It would be nice to hear or see something outside the general TV and radio pathways. But community spirit is a redundant term in my eyes. Id like to see a newer community spirit that is linked just by a general kind of "bollocks to everything" style, doing yr own thing and not trying to get covered by blogs or the NME

auto-aim · 03.02.2007, 05:55 PM

though if bands around at the moment just copy their style, we're basically in a vicious catch 22 circle - no point having a great fuck off scene if all the bands are bullshit. Maybe its just we're out touch who knows? I doubt it though... I think also part of the problem is like an overload culture today.

the ikara cult · 03.02.2007, 06:09 PM

well exactly thats why i think something like "Nowave" (whatever the geeks define this as i dont care) will become a known reference point

Danny Himself · 03.02.2007, 08:20 PM

NME wouldn't touch No Wave with a barge pole so I doubt any scenester tossers will get onto it. Even if they do, we can expect nothing more than a extremely brief feedback squeal heard as a song fades out.

whorefrost · 03.02.2007, 08:23 PM

agreed. No Wave could only be appropriated by the mainstream in an extremely diluted way.

Iain · 03.02.2007, 08:27 PM

Didn't this already happen? Remember The Rapture, Radio 4...all that shit. Didn't really sound Nowave but they were blatantly trying to cash in on that New York hip vibe. There was even a comp called Yes New York for fuck sake...with similar artwork to No New York. (always got me briefly excited everytime I went in Fopp and saw it for a fiver before I realised what it was)

whorefrost · 03.02.2007, 08:29 PM

good point

whorefrost · 03.02.2007, 08:31 PM

but that was more post punk than no wave.. sorta touched on no wave in a quite superficial way, non?

narlus · 03.02.2007, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by the ikara cult

The trend has been going since the Pixies 3/4 years ago though. Since then everything has happened cos the Pixies reunion was so successful.

first reunions i can recall (meaningful ones, anyway) were the Soft Boys and Mission of Burma; i don't think Wire ever really called it quits at any one time, but they could be lumped in too.

Iain · 03.02.2007, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by whorefrost

but that was more post punk than no wave.. sorta touched on no wave in a quite superficial way, non?

Yeah but the original post was suggesting that bands might use No Wave as a reference point which I took to mean "namecheck but not actually sound like". I don't think anything that has more than a superficial nod to No Wave is going to become popular...not musically anyway. But yes, it wouldn't surprise me if there were bands now or in the future that namechecked DNA, wore Contortions tshirts and sounded like U2. But I probably wouldn't know about it unless someone here posted about it. So, if it does happen please try and make sure I am out of the loop...thanks.

whorefrost · 03.02.2007, 08:46 PM

hopefully no wave becomes dead cool then my band might be semi-successful and i wouldn't have to get a real job
wait, that might suck

Iain · 03.02.2007, 09:03 PM

Haha....surely if you can avoid getting a real job then that would be ace, no?

Toilet & Bowels · 03.03.2007, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by narlus

first reunions i can recall (meaningful ones, anyway) were the Soft Boys and Mission of Burma; i don't think Wire ever really called it quits at any one time, but they could be lumped in too.

reunions have been happening since you were probably still in nappies sonny boy, e.g. VU & sex pistols

pokkeherrie · 03.03.2007, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Iain

Didn't this already happen? Remember The Rapture, Radio 4...all that shit. Didn't really sound Nowave but they were blatantly trying to cash in on that New York hip vibe. There was even a comp called Yes New York for fuck sake...with similar artwork to No New York. (always got me briefly excited everytime I went in Fopp and saw it for a fiver before I realised what it was)

Don't forget that "Kill your Idols" documentary from a few years ago... it's filled with modern day Brooklyn post-punk poser bands referencing/being linked to the original New York no-wave scene. It's total crap by the way and I'm glad I followed this board's advice and downloaded it instead of wasting money on buying the DVD.

03.02.2007, 04:31 PM	#1
the ikara cult invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London sink Posts: 4,576	I have a feeling the whole "No wave" thing might become a big reference point for alot of trendy bands over the next year. Seeing as every other aspect of 80s music seems to have been referenced to hell over the past 4 years it makes sense that the more avant garde sides of it will get credited (albeit in a more popularised, easier to listen to way... much like... Sonic Youth perhaps?) in the next decade. I dont expect a Glenn Branca NME cover, but kinda like Gang of four and Joy Division came back into fashion over the last 5 years or so.
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auto-aim the destroyed room Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Wales Posts: 650	You're wrong - this years thing, blatently, is going to be reformed bands. __________________ His Naked Torso
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03.02.2007, 05:04 PM	#3
the ikara cult invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London sink Posts: 4,576	no no no reformed bands has been the thing of the last 3 years Pixies Gang of four (again) Slint Wedding Present plus many others. Theres noone else to reform except Pavement!
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03.02.2007, 05:27 PM	#4
auto-aim the destroyed room Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Wales Posts: 650	Yeah but its just absurd this year... Dinosaur Jr - Well their first album with the reformed lot is dropping this year Van halen The Jam Jesus and Mary chain Genesis Rage Against the Machine Smashing Pumpkins Sepultura (rumored) The Police there are a lot more rumoured too - something is going on. Like its been building up to 2007 __________________ His Naked Torso
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03.02.2007, 05:31 PM	#5
the ikara cult invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London sink Posts: 4,576	The trend has been going since the Pixies 3/4 years ago though. Since then everything has happened cos the Pixies reunion was so successful. I dont really like the new Fall album "Reformation post-TLC" but the message in its title sums how things are. Why arent there new bands who really embody the spirit of these bands and dont just copy their style?
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03.02.2007, 05:35 PM	#6
auto-aim the destroyed room Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Wales Posts: 650	umm... because everything has been saturated to the point that its all style and no substance, there's no community spirit anymore and no worthwhile idols to look up to? __________________ His Naked Torso
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03.02.2007, 05:43 PM	#7
the ikara cult invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London sink Posts: 4,576	I think youre right in many ways. It would be nice to hear or see something outside the general TV and radio pathways. But community spirit is a redundant term in my eyes. Id like to see a newer community spirit that is linked just by a general kind of "bollocks to everything" style, doing yr own thing and not trying to get covered by blogs or the NME
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03.02.2007, 05:55 PM	#8
auto-aim the destroyed room Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Wales Posts: 650	though if bands around at the moment just copy their style, we're basically in a vicious catch 22 circle - no point having a great fuck off scene if all the bands are bullshit. Maybe its just we're out touch who knows? I doubt it though... I think also part of the problem is like an overload culture today. __________________ His Naked Torso
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03.02.2007, 06:09 PM	#9
the ikara cult invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London sink Posts: 4,576	well exactly thats why i think something like "Nowave" (whatever the geeks define this as i dont care) will become a known reference point
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03.02.2007, 08:20 PM	#10
Danny Himself invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 9,623	NME wouldn't touch No Wave with a barge pole so I doubt any scenester tossers will get onto it. Even if they do, we can expect nothing more than a extremely brief feedback squeal heard as a song fades out.
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03.02.2007, 08:23 PM	#11
whorefrost invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arrived in Smoke, Arrived in Gold Posts: 2,572	agreed. No Wave could only be appropriated by the mainstream in an extremely diluted way.
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03.02.2007, 08:27 PM	#12
Iain invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,544	Didn't this already happen? Remember The Rapture, Radio 4...all that shit. Didn't really sound Nowave but they were blatantly trying to cash in on that New York hip vibe. There was even a comp called Yes New York for fuck sake...with similar artwork to No New York. (always got me briefly excited everytime I went in Fopp and saw it for a fiver before I realised what it was)
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03.02.2007, 08:29 PM	#13
whorefrost invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arrived in Smoke, Arrived in Gold Posts: 2,572	good point
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03.02.2007, 08:31 PM	#14
whorefrost invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arrived in Smoke, Arrived in Gold Posts: 2,572	but that was more post punk than no wave.. sorta touched on no wave in a quite superficial way, non?
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03.02.2007, 08:46 PM	#17
whorefrost invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arrived in Smoke, Arrived in Gold Posts: 2,572	hopefully no wave becomes dead cool then my band might be semi-successful and i wouldn't have to get a real job wait, that might suck
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03.02.2007, 09:03 PM	#18
Iain invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,544	Haha....surely if you can avoid getting a real job then that would be ace, no?
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