[batreleaser]

in your opinion, what are the 10 best british post punk albums ever recorded? thats right folks, another list.

1. the pop group-ys
2. this heat-deceit
3. public image ltd-metal box
4. joy division-unknown pleasures
5. wire-154 (definitley a post punk album, pink flag and chairs missing are post punk blueprints for sure, but more punk)
6. the fall-hex enduction hour
7. the killing joke-whats this for...!
8. joy division-closer
9. siouxie and the banshees-juju
10. the fall-this nation's saving grace/gang of 4-entertainment!

[MellySingsDoom]

Nice list, batreleaser. I'd also include The Slits' "Cut" and Throbbing Gristle's "Heathen Earth" too.

[gualbert]

Post-punk in the late 70's/early 80's?
That's way to early.

The genre/label appeared later ( with Slint maybe ).

[Florya]

Originally Posted by gualbert

Post-punk in the late 70's/early 80's?
That's way to early.

The genre/label appeared later ( with Slint maybe ).

How d'you work that out?

Punk in the UK was dead and buried by '78

[gualbert]

Originally Posted by Florya

How d'you work that out?

Punk in the UK was dead and buried by '78

Maybe.
But I think that none of the bands in batreleaser list ever called themselves "post-punk" , and that the term wasn't used before the mid 80's.

[Everyneurotic]

it was used by journalists as early as '78, to describe everything from the police to p.i.l.

[gualbert]

Show it please.

[Florya]

Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures
The Psychedelic Furs - The Psychedelic Furs
Test Dept - Beating The Retreat
Throbbing Gristle - D.O.A.
Coil - Scatology
Psychic TV - Force the Hand of Chance
Bauhaus - In The Flat Field
Blancmange - Happy Families
23 Skidoo - The Culling is Coming
Nurse With Wound - Homotopy To Marie

[hansjoakim]

Originally Posted by Florya

Punk in the UK was dead and buried by '78

if UK punk was dead and buried by '78 (i sorta agree on that), then "london calling" should definitely be on the post-punk list.

[Everyneurotic]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_punk

[gualbert]

A-hem.

"This article or section has multiple issues. Please help improve the article or discuss these issues on the talk page.

• It needs additional references or sources for verification. "

[Florya]

Originally Posted by hansjoakim

if UK punk was dead and buried by '78 (i sorta agree on that), then "london calling" should definitely be on the post-punk list.

Doesn't make it into my top 10.

[tesla69]

Originally Posted by batreleaser

in your opinion, what are the 10 best british post punk albums ever recorded? thats right folks, another list.

1. the pop group-ys
2. this heat-deceit
3. public image ltd-metal box
4. joy division-unknown pleasures
5. wire-154 (definitley a post punk album, pink flag and chairs missing are post punk blueprints for sure, but more punk)
6. the fall-hex enduction hour
7. the killing joke-whats this for...!
8. joy division-closer
9. siouxie and the banshees-juju
10. the fall-this nation's saving grace

These are all fantastic albums to which I continue to listen 30 years on! I would say that the fall-this nation's saving grace wasn't really postpunk, and more appropriately #10 would be something by Membranes or Bauhaus. The Slits were an original 76 London punk band even if their sound wasn't that 1-2-3- generic sound. I think I like postpunk more than punk if I had to make a choice one way or another.

[Toilet & Bowels]

Originally Posted by gualbert

A-hem.

"This article or section has multiple issues. Please help improve the article or discuss these issues on the talk page.

• It needs additional references or sources for verification. "

i read an interview with sonic youth where they said that when they first came out they were refered to as post-punk

[Everyneurotic]

"improve article", it doesn't mean it's not true or that's going to be deleted.

i don't have nme magazines from '78.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Image_Limited
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wire_%28band%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pop_Group
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_Of_Four_%28band%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fall_%28band%29

gualbert is think of the "post rock" label, not "post punk".

[Florya]

1980 article from Rolling Stone, written by Greil Marcus. "It's Fab, It's Passionate, It's Wild, It's Intelligent! It's the Hot New Sound of England Today!" Article talks about Gang of Four, Raincoats, Essential Logic etc. First paragraph:

"'Don't romanticize it,' Geoff Travis said to me. Travis is the founder of Rough Trade, the U.K.'s most important and adventurous independent record company. He was talking about Britain's postpunk pop avant-garde, of which Rough Trade is a vital center - or perhaps the only center."

 

[Everyneurotic]

http://www.amazon.com/Rip-Up-Start-A...42009&sr= 1-1
http://www.amazon.com/No-Wave-Post-P...42009&sr= 1-2

he must be thinking godspeed you black emperor was one of the first post punk bands.

[gualbert]

Originally Posted by Everyneurotic

gualbert is think of the "post rock" label, not "post punk".

Yeah , I'm a bit mixed-up between the two ( I never use them ).
Anyway , Joy Division is sometimes labeled cold wave , new wave , gothic , bat cave , industrial rock , etc. , no need to add post punk.
They're just post-labeled.

[Everyneurotic]

yeah, hahahaha; i was thinking "damn! i'm making a point about a sub sub genre".

[batreleaser]

i wouldnt call either coil or throbbing gristle anyything close to post punk. both are too extreme. throbbing gristle for one thing was making music befote punk even, and were industrial to the core. i can see how one might call coil post punk because it could be argued that they would not have been able to exist prior to punk, but there music sounds nothing like punk whatsoever. the only thing they share in common with even the most experimental post punk bands like the pop group and pil is being experimental. their music borders on industrial, noise, dark ambient, drone, and a buncha other extreme genres. they rule anyways.


i shoul have included gang of four-entertainment!, all put that tied at 10.