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09.10.2006, 04:16 PM
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Been thinkin' a lot lately that the top rappers, people like Nas and, I guess Biggie when he was alive, are actually better lyricists than any one from the rock world - Dylan, Young, Beatles, etc, etc.
First off, they are almost always less pretensious, and the way they put words together is infinitely more complex than the words in any rock song I can think of. If you've never heard Nas, here's a link to one of his best songs: => http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.ph...593CF76B2A55FE Any Nas fans on the board? Nas haterz? Why do Nas and other rappers never get the credit they deserve (they are usually either labelled as angry young men, or just ignored altogether)? |
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09.10.2006, 04:19 PM
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Nas is a terrible hip-hop artist. His lyrics may be okay but his delivery is boring and his beats are contrived and uninteresting.
Madlib is a much better artist.
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09.10.2006, 04:23 PM
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you make yourself look bad when you say that. Nas = 'terrible' = you = 'moron'
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09.10.2006, 04:24 PM
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And how is it that that happens? It fucking doesn't. Face it, others have their opinions. Accept it, cunt.
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09.10.2006, 04:26 PM
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ooh, touche!
I know you have an opinion, numbnuts, I just think its totally silly and contrived. Saying Nas is terrible is an attention-grabbing statement. Its like saying the beatles were terrible. I dont like em, but I can see that the beatles had talent - they just werent for me. Likewise, Nas's talent is patent. |
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09.10.2006, 04:29 PM
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Now Nas is comparable to the Beatles? He's a generic rapper. He's nothing special. The beats are dreadful and boring. His lyrics are good but his delivery is worthless.
Saying he is terrible is nothing 'attention-grabbing'. He isn't a fucking legend or anything.
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09.10.2006, 04:33 PM
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He is a legend, unlike Madlib (you really think any1 will give a shit about him 10 yrs from now). Nas is not LIKE the beatles, but he has talent, like the beatles.
OK, some of his mid-career stuff was generic, and his production is not always great, but even the best artists have patchy work, and Nas can't really be held to fault for his production - he just raps. |
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Madlib is a beat God. Madlib is far more talented and brilliant than Nas could ever hope to be.
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Thats almost funny. tell me then: which of the mainstream rappers would you consider talented, because as far as Im concerned, none of them have ever matched nas for complex rhymes and storytelling?
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Mos Def is. Nas is talented at story telling. I've stated that in this thread. I just don't find him interesting. Most of the rap on the radio is terrible. Nas is one of the top artists in a pile of boring music.
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Comparing Nas' to Bob Dylan's songwriting in your topic title, when Dylan is widely considered by most critics to be the best songwriter ever, is nothing but an attempt at "attention-grabbing" & controversy-mongering. Step the fuck off, troll. You're not fooling anyone (yet). |
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09.10.2006, 04:46 PM
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You didn't, you said his lyrics were 'OK'. Yea, Mos is reasonably talented, but I bet if you were able to ask him, he would say that Nas was the superior MC of the two.
And Ive just been listening to Madlib and that production hurts (in a bad, bad way) - lame and boring. If you are into underground hiphop for the cache it brings, you might as well listen to someone from the underground with talent. Give Sage Francis - Personal Journals a listen, or maybe some Aesop Rock. But remember, underground rap will never achieve what underground punk/rock/noise will achieve, so dont look there for real hiphop. It will always be dominated by priviledged white boys. Unlike in rock, there are no channels for real independant rap artists - and not suburban imitators - to go through, they will always have to go for the majors because thats the only way they'll be able to make a living. |
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09.10.2006, 04:48 PM
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Madlib's production is ace. You obviously have no taste.
next troll plz
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Fair enough, the title was attention grabbing, but I think my point still stands. who the fuck cares what critics say. Are any of them BLACK critics - i think not many. Nas's lyrics ARE more complex. Print some out, then print some Dylan and you'll see. PS I am actually a Dylan fan too , so im not on some anti-dylan trip |
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09.10.2006, 04:49 PM
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and plz stop calling me a troll, im just trying to have a discussion about things that interest me
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The race card is boring.
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"American Way"
(feat. Kelis) [Sample - Nas: "Political"] [Newscaster:] "Recently there has been an emergence of socially conscious and political rappers. It seems to be a new trend in the Hip-Hop world." [DJ scratches sample - Nas: "Nas is a rebel to America" 3X] [Vers 1: Nas] Yeah, check it, uh Spot build-rocker, lil' papa killed Hoffa Beard lil' longer, feel strong and I'll stop ya Drill sergeant, still thorough, wheelbarrows of distilled vodka Get me real bonkers like Will Ferrell on cat tranquilizer Rap guys get bank and think they messiahs, but they liars Vote fo who now? You're red, white and blue? I'm American too, but I ain't with the president's crew What you peddlin' and who you peddlin' to? You ain't got the ghetto with you Try'na lead my sheep to the slaughterhouse Talkin 'bout +Rap the Vote+, you ain't thought about The black vote mean nathan, who you gonna elect Satan or Satan? In the hood nothin is changin, uh We ain't got no choices who to choose Ten-years ago they were tryin to stop our voices And end Hip-Hop, they some hypocrites Condoleeza Rice - I don't really get this chick Tell her if she ever really cared about poor schools About poor children, then she gotta prove that she ain't just another coon Uncle Tom fool Like these MC's, gotta give 'em the rules Lie to the youth, Uncle Tom you confused Might as well give the Hip-Hop community a noose Need a truce with the gangs and some food for the hungry On Kerry nuts, he look at you like a monkey You MC's on that old slavery path The Bushs'll look at yo' ass and laugh See, it's all about community, let's help ourselves Cops brutalize us get dealt with with shells It's our turn, it's 'bout time we win Need somebody as the hood as my councilman, uh [Chorus: Kelis] Yeah I think about this everyday, that's the American Way, shit Yeah I think about this everyday, that's the American Way, shit ([Nas:] Cause that's the American way) Yeah I think about this everyday, that's the American Way, shit Yeah I think about this everyday, that's the American Way [Verse 2: Nas] Up in the steam room chillin', exfoliating the skin It's rarely men conversatin' on ends, probably businessmen I sense good taste, and they watch us, the spots an expensive place Manhattan New York, I'm try'na keep steamin' It's good for the lungs, had plans for the evening This man leans in, his boys laughing Now I'm the spokesperson for Black men, this always happens Says, "Since all Black women care about is who got dough And all we do is call them either bitch or a Black hoe" I say first brotha you ain't gotta be that cold Since you ignorant, I'ma show you how the facts go The biggest example in scandal of history Were Monica Lewinksy or Donald Trump's pimping spree Most woman who love Jeevanji of Gucci Are pretentious non-Black groupies or floozies But who are we to blame, not the dames It's a man-made game, in essence our woman the same Beautiful creatures, Black girls birthed the earth So they deserve to earn man's purse Matter fact, I'm about to go shopping with my dime Catch you cowards the next time, the next rhyme, uh [Chorus: Kelis singing] Yeah I think about this everyday, that's the American Way, shit ([Nas:] That's the American way) Yeah I think about this everyday, that's the American Way, shit ([Nas:] Cause that's the American way. What up, K?) Yeah I think about this everyday, that's the American Way, shit ([Nas:] That's the American way) Yeah I think about this everyday, that's the American Way, shit ([Nas:] Ha, yeah) I don't care about the runaways I don't care about who's gay I don't care about dying of AIDS But I care if I got paid Who even cares about the president? I think they're making a mistake I don't care about the hurricane As long as my family's safe I don't care about the candidates They burnt this country to bits Yeah I think about this everyday, that's the American Way ([Nas:] Uh) Can we make a change You know it's not overnight Let's start the fight (Nas: And ya don't stop, uh) Can we make a change You know it's not overnight Let's start the fight (Nas: Yeah) Yeah I think about this everyday, that's the American Way wow, he rhymes "way" with "day" in the chorus...brilliant! He's got an album called "Illmatic" & another called "Stillmatic"...genius! |
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09.10.2006, 04:57 PM
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The race card is relevant, so dont dodge it. As a proportion of the cultural establishment in the US a tiny fraction is black. Inevitably, the results to these types of polls, and simple dominant opinions, will reflect the makeup of the (white) people that create them.
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