Fraud is possible if...

static-harmony · 11.04.2006, 03:49 PM

You vote by machines.

What do you think about it. I think it is a high risk for faudulent election.

Hip Priest · 11.04.2006, 03:51 PM

Or by post, as was recently demonstrated in the UK.

Saturseven · 11.04.2006, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by static-harmony

You vote by machines.

What do you think about it. I think it is a high risk for faudulent election.

Just have the machines print out a receipt.
Problem solved.

static-harmony · 11.04.2006, 03:56 PM

But do you keep, your receipt? those things are lost very easily.

atari 2600 · 11.04.2006, 03:56 PM

But, ominously, the overwhelming majority do not print a voting receipt. There is no hard copy record with the new Diebold electronic touch-screen voting machines which can be easily hacked and which will be widely used next Tuesday, November 7th. Lou Dobbs did a report "Democracy at Risk" on CNN and HBO has been airing a documentary called "Hacking Democracy" since Thursday.
review
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-...d_b_33271.html
The HBO documentary is based on the work of Bev Harris, who founded http://www.blackboxvoting.org/, which monitors election accuracy. In 2004 the attorney general of California took up a whistle-blower claim filed by Harris against Diebold and settled with the company for $2.6 million in December.

static-harmony · 11.04.2006, 03:57 PM

Yeah, there is no way we can trace who voted for who.

Hip Priest · 11.04.2006, 04:00 PM

The whole thing about machine and postal voting is a fraud itself; politicians like to think that low turnout at elections and general apathy is down to the voting process being 'difficult' (ie people have to get up off their arse for five minutes and walk to a polling station). Politicians have convinced themselves that their lies and dishonesty and general corruption has nothing to do with it.

static-harmony · 11.04.2006, 04:05 PM

Yeah, and what pisses me off is that a lot of elderly people fall for this. By that I mean they are the ones most suceptible to vote with machines, because they never had any. I still think that the old school way of voting is the best.

Hip Priest · 11.04.2006, 04:08 PM

And then someone offers to vote for them 'on their behalf'. 'Ooh, that nice young man from the labour party promised he'd vote conservative for me'.

static-harmony · 11.04.2006, 04:10 PM

I don't think that is possible here.

Hip Priest · 11.04.2006, 04:14 PM

Labour have ensured that in this country, voting fraud is alive and kicking:

Sparkhill Ward - 2000

In 2000 22 voters were identified who had voted, but were not able to vote at the time either as a result of being out of the country, being dead or being in jail. The Labour majority was 28.

And how about
Labour activists had 'vote-rigging factory' to hijack postal votes. Bloody Labour.

static-harmony · 11.04.2006, 04:18 PM

Wow I haven't seen that happening here. People standing over other people while they are voting.

Style · 11.04.2006, 07:53 PM

I think they should make all voting machines open source.

Intellivision · 11.07.2006, 07:12 AM

The latest news is that many of the machines (including in the St. Louis senatorial race) will have paper print-outs. This still doesn't dissuade the record number of election observers that are projected. I heard on the news that we will not be getting a receipt here in Virginia.
Watchdog groups are concerned that far too many of the machines actually do not even count votes accurately.

I'm up early this morning because I'm off to vote.

Style · 11.07.2006, 07:21 AM

I already voted by absentee.

static-harmony · 11.07.2006, 06:49 PM

See told you they are already saying of this technolgies voting for other people or not voting at all.

static-harmony · 11.15.2006, 04:55 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061115/...ctronic_voting

e-voting might be out the way.

11.04.2006, 03:49 PM	#1
static-harmony invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: outside L.A Posts: 5,156	You vote by machines. What do you think about it. I think it is a high risk for faudulent election. __________________
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11.04.2006, 03:51 PM	#2
Hip Priest invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Birkenhead Posts: 9,397	Or by post, as was recently demonstrated in the UK. __________________ Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. http://www.flickr.com/photos/outsidethecamp/
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11.04.2006, 03:56 PM	#4
static-harmony invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: outside L.A Posts: 5,156	But do you keep, your receipt? those things are lost very easily. __________________
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11.04.2006, 03:56 PM	#5
atari 2600 invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,213	But, ominously, the overwhelming majority do not print a voting receipt. There is no hard copy record with the new Diebold electronic touch-screen voting machines which can be easily hacked and which will be widely used next Tuesday, November 7th. Lou Dobbs did a report "Democracy at Risk" on CNN and HBO has been airing a documentary called "Hacking Democracy" since Thursday. review http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-...d_b_33271.html The HBO documentary is based on the work of Bev Harris, who founded http://www.blackboxvoting.org/, which monitors election accuracy. In 2004 the attorney general of California took up a whistle-blower claim filed by Harris against Diebold and settled with the company for $2.6 million in December.
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11.04.2006, 03:57 PM	#6
static-harmony invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: outside L.A Posts: 5,156	Yeah, there is no way we can trace who voted for who. __________________
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11.04.2006, 04:00 PM	#7
Hip Priest invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Birkenhead Posts: 9,397	The whole thing about machine and postal voting is a fraud itself; politicians like to think that low turnout at elections and general apathy is down to the voting process being 'difficult' (ie people have to get up off their arse for five minutes and walk to a polling station). Politicians have convinced themselves that their lies and dishonesty and general corruption has nothing to do with it. __________________ Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. http://www.flickr.com/photos/outsidethecamp/
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11.04.2006, 04:05 PM	#8
static-harmony invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: outside L.A Posts: 5,156	Yeah, and what pisses me off is that a lot of elderly people fall for this. By that I mean they are the ones most suceptible to vote with machines, because they never had any. I still think that the old school way of voting is the best. __________________
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11.04.2006, 04:08 PM	#9
Hip Priest invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Birkenhead Posts: 9,397	And then someone offers to vote for them 'on their behalf'. 'Ooh, that nice young man from the labour party promised he'd vote conservative for me'. __________________ Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. http://www.flickr.com/photos/outsidethecamp/
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11.04.2006, 04:10 PM	#10
static-harmony invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: outside L.A Posts: 5,156	I don't think that is possible here. __________________
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11.04.2006, 04:14 PM	#11
Hip Priest invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Birkenhead Posts: 9,397	Labour have ensured that in this country, voting fraud is alive and kicking: Sparkhill Ward - 2000 In 2000 22 voters were identified who had voted, but were not able to vote at the time either as a result of being out of the country, being dead or being in jail. The Labour majority was 28. And how about Labour activists had 'vote-rigging factory' to hijack postal votes. Bloody Labour. __________________ Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. http://www.flickr.com/photos/outsidethecamp/
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11.04.2006, 04:18 PM	#12
static-harmony invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: outside L.A Posts: 5,156	Wow I haven't seen that happening here. People standing over other people while they are voting. __________________
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11.04.2006, 07:53 PM	#13
Style stalker Join Date: May 2006 Location: Califronia Posts: 418	I think they should make all voting machines open source.
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11.07.2006, 07:12 AM	#14
Intellivision i'm a rotten little fuck Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 347	The latest news is that many of the machines (including in the St. Louis senatorial race) will have paper print-outs. This still doesn't dissuade the record number of election observers that are projected. I heard on the news that we will not be getting a receipt here in Virginia. Watchdog groups are concerned that far too many of the machines actually do not even count votes accurately. I'm up early this morning because I'm off to vote.
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11.07.2006, 07:21 AM	#15
Style stalker Join Date: May 2006 Location: Califronia Posts: 418	I already voted by absentee.
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11.07.2006, 06:49 PM	#16
static-harmony invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: outside L.A Posts: 5,156	See told you they are already saying of this technolgies voting for other people or not voting at all. __________________
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11.15.2006, 04:55 PM	#17
static-harmony invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: outside L.A Posts: 5,156	http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061115/...ctronic_voting e-voting might be out the way. __________________
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