[Genteel Death]

Originally Posted by Lee is Free

I can speak briefly to this, having asked you all to participate in this little endeavor: I myself have many mixed feelings. On the one hand it seems the wave of the future, even if still in the growing pains stages. A massive library--great reference tool--of music. People tell me it spells the end of 'music ownership' as we know it---you know, record collections. That all that stuff will exist in the digital realm. Coming from an age when record collecting and collections was a noble endeavor, it rubs me a little bit. ebooks, same thing. I read 'em, would rather carry ebooks on tour than huge tomes (Keith Richards, I love ya but I'm thinking of you...), but I STILL WANT THE OBJECT for any that I love and value, and by same token still go out and buy hard-copy music LPs of stuff I love and want to keep close. At their best, in the heyday of albums, they are cheap, affordable objets d'art as well as containers for the music inside. Artifacts. Beautiful things to hold.

There's also the fact that one great thing about a record album (CD, etc) is all the information you get--credits/artwork/mysterious liner notes--that are all lost--thrown out--on Spotify (and iTunes etc etc). I love that part of the music--digging into the cryptic mentions and information included with an album, pouring over beautiful photos or strange drawings on the jackets. I don't really understand why these music services don't make all that stuff available---or maybe they do and I just don't know how to access it? We took great pleasure, when working on my album, in designing the art--especially the LP art/gatefold collage/liner notes etc. I'd be sorry to see all that stuff become a thing of the past...

On the other hand, if you read the music press, and want to find out what's happening (and don't want to fully rip off artists and illegally d/l stuff), but don't want to spend tons of $ on some records you might just listen to once, it's a well-spent $5/month.

Artists payments from these services are a major point of contention. I sort of assume these issues will be worked out as this sort of situation becomes normalized and established. This is all in the very early stages---after, what?, 100+ years of "owning recorded music", we've been downloading via such services for a mere blip of time... Growing pains...

Conflicted? Sure. Kicking and screaming into the digital age? Not really...

L

Some good points straight from the horse's mouth. Personally, I share streaming music, especially on FB or on here, with the intent of getting people into it and hoping they'll take an interest more intense than clicking on links because of a concealed, imaginary duty of doing good service to ''good'' music, to the ''right'' music,.Definitely not, like some champions of this forum often gave me the impression of, for bragging about an admirable mp3 collection that will eventually cause you a headache because you'll never have the time to listen to attentively before you start an engaging discussion about music in general. Plus, I have a strong visual sense of anything I hold in my hands, so even though I feel often ambiguous about the whole downloading thing, I know I prefer to hold in my hand something that looks like it's been made by someone and admire its artistry. I still don't have a problem downloading or listening to music that's on the internet. Why should I? I know I hate almost all of you and I don't care if you live or die. Anywayz, what do you have to say about this (see thread title)?

[pokkeherrie]

Yawn.
I have nothing to say about the whole downloading/streaming debate what hasn't been said a thousand times before in the last 15 years.

But if you want to talk about Spotify in particular, I use it sometimes to check out new music/music I don't know. It saves me the effort/diskspace required for downloading.
I never really use it to listen to music I already know/own, because it has stupid commercials in between songs. It's surely not a real alternative for CD/LP/mp3s to me personally. A paid membership isn't worth it for me because most of the music I'm interested in usually isn't on there. It's way too mainstream.

PS: "bragging about an admirable mp3 collection" How is that even possible?
PPS: I prefer having physical objects, I buy lots of CDs/LPs/cassettes
PPPS: I do download a lot of stuff. I'm not interested in iTunes/mp3 stores and I don't think I'll ever buy mp3-releases, but I try to buy as much physical objects as I can from the stuff that I like.
PPPPS: I buy more stuff and go to more live shows than I would buy/go to if I didn't download stuff... I simply wouldn't know about them otherwise.
PPPPPS: There's nothing in my life that I've spend more money on than music.
PPPPPPS: From what I've read, Spotify isn't really interesting for artists financially. You need a gazillion plays to make a few bucks or so I'm told.
PPPPPPPS: More than I feel guilty for downloading, I feel guilty for buying CDs/LPs from big overseas corporate mailorder companies, because they're twice as cheap as the independent record store down the road.

[Genteel Death]

Originally Posted by pokkeherrie

Yawn.
I have nothing to say about the whole downloading/streaming debate what hasn't been said a thousand times before in the last 15 years.

So why did you say it? Can I get a stream of your yawning on Soundcloud then?

[Genteel Death]

Where's Jenn's post?

[jennthebenn]

Took it down, it was dull and same old.

[pokkeherrie]

Originally Posted by Genteel Death

So why did you say it?

I didn't say it.
I only mentioned Spotify in particular... read it again. If you require assistance please let me know.

The PS's were just to clarify my position, you can skip those.

Originally Posted by Genteel Death

Can I get a stream of your yawning on Soundcloud then?

Yes, there's a link somewhere. Don't forget to follow me.

[Genteel Death]

Originally Posted by pokkeherrie

PS: "bragging about an admirable mp3 collection" How is that even possible?

By freely downloading almost every single album you own and formenting a ''put-down'' attitude when it comes to every other person's taste in music on an internet forum, for instance? Surely you must have witnessed this happening as a long time poster on here?

[Genteel Death]

Originally Posted by pokkeherrie

I didn't say it.
I only mentioned Spotify in particular... read it again. If you require assistance please let me know.

Spotify streams music. And no need to act patronising, know-it-all.

[pokkeherrie]

Originally Posted by Genteel Death

By freely downloading almost every single album you own and formenting a ''put-down'' attitude when it comes to every other people's taste in music on an internet forum, for instance? Surely you must have witnessed this happening as a long time poster on here?

Ah yes, I see what you mean now and know who you mean. But I guess I always more interpreted that as bragging about musical knowledge rather than bragging about 10 terabytes of mp3s or whatever.... you know, here's my top 250 albums for 2011! Oh, and my top 100 Merzbow releases, etc.

Originally Posted by Genteel Death

Spotify streams music. And no need to act patronising, know-it-all.

I wasn't patronising. You were being cocky.
Spotify is just one possibility for streaming music... there's bandcamp, last.fm, soundcloud, thehypemachine, youtube, etc.

[Genteel Death]

Dude, I know all the other websites you mentioned. Ok, so that pokkeherrie feels happy, I know what Bandcamp is. It's like, a concentration camp but for music. Oh well.

[Genteel Death]

lol

[pokkeherrie]

Originally Posted by Genteel Death

Dude, I know all the other websites you mentioned. Ok, so that pokkeherrie feels happy, I know what Bandcamp is. It's like, a concentration camp but for music. Oh well.

Yeah, but with "spotify streams music" you were implying that talking about spotify in particular equals talking about the whole downloading/streaming debate which makes me yawn.

Look, dude. Dude. Now you've scared everyone away from this thread and it's doomed to fail. Only because you enjoy arguing with internet people so much!

[Genteel Death]

Originally Posted by pokkeherrie

Yeah, but with "spotify streams music" you were implying that talking about spotify in particular equals talking about the whole downloading/streaming debate which makes me yawn.

Look, dude. Dude. Now you've scared everyone away from this thread and it's doomed to fail. Only because you enjoy arguing with internet people so much!

Ah ok.
Spotify - Streaming Music

[Genteel Death]

This thread is now about failing on the internet. lol

[jennthebenn]

Originally Posted by Genteel Death

This thread is now about failing on the internet. lol

They all are, eventually.

Okay...this one stays.

[Genteel Death]

Originally Posted by jennthebenn

They all are, eventually.

Okay...this one stays.

It does now.

Look Jenn! I am a new convert of the artiste the Beatlez by streaming their music on the internet! This is my new favourite song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDdI7GhZSQA !!!!

CRAAAZAAY!!

[pokkeherrie]

Originally Posted by jennthebenn

They all are, eventually.

Okay...this one stays.

It's not going anywhere now.

regards,
pokkeherrie (jennthebenn post preservation society)

[jennthebenn]

And here I was hoping it would be my epic blog posts that would convert
you!

[pokkeherrie]

damn, I got beaten by genteel death and his smart phone.

[jennthebenn]

I am immortal for sure, now.