Jeremy Corbyn & Bernie Sanders.

Toilet & Bowels · 08.20.2015, 07:23 PM

Suddenly politrics got fucking exciting. I know it could all just be a flash in the pan, but it feels like a sleeping giant is waking up.

Anyone else feel the same?

!@#$%! · 08.20.2015, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

Suddenly politrics got fucking exciting. I know it could all just be a flash in the pan, but it feels like a sleeping giant is waking up.

Anyone else feel the same?

he probably does

demonrail666 · 08.21.2015, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

Suddenly politrics got fucking exciting. I know it could all just be a flash in the pan, but it feels like a sleeping giant is waking up.

Anyone else feel the same?

I'm conflicted. I support Corbyn in terms of what he stands for, absolutely, but I worry that, if he does become leader, Labour will be crucified in the next general election. I just don't see middle England going for him at all. Not that I can see it going for any of the other candidates, either. I really don't know.

evollove · 08.21.2015, 07:06 AM

My excitement is tempered with the fact that Americans are willing to elect just about every minority you can think of before they vote for a socialist Jew from Vermont.

Toilet & Bowels · 08.21.2015, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666

I'm conflicted. I support Corbyn in terms of what he stands for, absolutely, but I worry that, if he does become leader, Labour will be crucified in the next general election. I just don't see middle England going for him at all. Not that I can see it going for any of the other candidates, either. I really don't know.

Yeah, I worry about the same thing, however this its the first time in my life when there's been someone to vote for who views are generally aligned with my own.

demonrail666 · 08.21.2015, 07:45 AM

I suppose I do hope he wins just because I don't see an alternative candidate who I think would win a general election. So at least if Labour are going to lose, they'll have lost with socialist policies rather than tory-lite ones. But if a new Blair did emerge, who could seriously challenge Cameron, I'd have to support him just because I really worry about where the country's going under the Tories, even if I don't see the Blairite wing of Labour as being much better.

!@#$%! · 08.21.2015, 08:58 AM

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My excitement is tempered with the fact that Americans are willing to elect just about every minority you can think of before they vote for a socialist Jew from Vermont.

you mean kenyan muslims, don't you?

Toilet & Bowels · 08.21.2015, 06:21 PM

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I suppose I do hope he wins just because I don't see an alternative candidate who I think would win a general election. So at least if Labour are going to lose, they'll have lost with socialist policies rather than tory-lite ones. But if a new Blair did emerge, who could seriously challenge Cameron, I'd have to support him just because I really worry about where the country's going under the Tories, even if I don't see the Blairite wing of Labour as being much better.

It seems like Jezza's sure to win. It's going to be interesting and hopefully exciting to see how this newfound excitement for leftwinging is going to manifest over the nexr 4.5 years of Tory goverment, and also what will happen to UKIP and the SNP if Labour go back to their roots.

And also what happens when Britain turns into a socialist utopia at the next election and Jeremy Corbyn brings peace to the Middle-East!!!

Toilet & Bowels · 09.12.2015, 07:23 PM

Socialism's back!

demonrail666 · 09.13.2015, 02:45 AM

I want to be happy but something tells me the real winner in all this is the conservative party.

!@#$%! · 09.13.2015, 09:07 AM

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Socialism's back!

oh, you poor innocent child. if only your dreams could be true.

!@#$%! · 09.13.2015, 01:03 PM

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There hasn't been a socialist elected to major executive office in the US since Frank Zeidler won his third term as mayor of Milwaukee in 1956.

He's in England though.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous · 09.13.2015, 03:35 PM

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Yeah, I worry about the same thing, however this its the first time in my life when there's been someone to vote for who views are generally aligned with my own.

Sucks cuz sanders is not a realistic candidate, he is more like a slightly more popular version of Ralph Nader, he is there to push the debate not necessarily win.

Toilet & Bowels · 09.13.2015, 03:41 PM

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Sucks cuz sanders is not a realistic candidate, he is more like a slightly more popular version of Ralph Nader, he is there to push the debate not necessarily win.

That's what they said about Corbyn and then he won the Labour leadership with the greatest majority in the party's history.

Toilet & Bowels · 09.13.2015, 03:42 PM

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oh, you poor innocent child. if only your dreams could be true.

Seriously, don't you ever get tired by your own cynical naysaying?

Toilet & Bowels · 09.13.2015, 03:43 PM

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I want to be happy but something tells me the real winner in all this is the conservative party.

Well we'll see, but close to 15,000 people joined the Labour party yesterday, and no doubt more will join in coming months, including me.

Did you go on the march yesterday or did you stay at home?

!@#$%! · 09.13.2015, 04:09 PM

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Don't you ever get disillusioned by your own cynical naysaying?

I don't see it that way. If you say "there is no Santa Claus," is that cynical naysaying or just what you know to be?

Socialism would be a nice dream. For it to actually work it's another story. Social democracy sure, it works and it's proven to work; but socialism with state ownership of the means of production? I don't know that you will enjoy that.

Funny that Bernie Sanders gets painted as a socialist where he's actually a social democrat. But the socialist label will doom him with the yahoos. He has no chance. E.g., the yahoos call Obamacare "socialism" though the same was proposed by Tricky Dick Nixon and achieved by Romney in Massachussetts--they did it while singing the Internationale.

But good luck come Christmas anyway. Leave some cookies out for Ingsoc Santa.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous · 09.13.2015, 04:14 PM

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That's what they said about Corbyn and then he won the Labour leadership with the greatest majority in the party's history.

The UK and the US are very different politic realities.

Toilet & Bowels · 09.13.2015, 04:24 PM

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The UK and the US are very different politic realities.

Maybe, but they're facing quite similar political problems.

!@#$%! · 09.13.2015, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

The UK and the US are very different politic realities.

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demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	I suppose I do hope he wins just because I don't see an alternative candidate who I think would win a general election. So at least if Labour are going to lose, they'll have lost with socialist policies rather than tory-lite ones. But if a new Blair did emerge, who could seriously challenge Cameron, I'd have to support him just because I really worry about where the country's going under the Tories, even if I don't see the Blairite wing of Labour as being much better.
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