[atari 2600]

I was kicked after being shot, says terror raid Muslim

By Neville Dean and Sam Marsden, PA

Published: 13 June 2006



A young Muslim shot by police during a dawn terror raid on a suspected bomb factory in east London broke down today as he described the moment anti-terrorist officers stormed his house.
Mohammed Abdul Kahar, 23, choked back tears as he recalled the 4am raid.
Mr Kahar told a packed press conference how he was woken by the screams of his younger brother.
"From my room I could hear this screaming so I got out of bed," he said.
He said he was clad only in boxer shorts and a t-shirt.
"I assumed a robbery was happening," he said.
He told how he edged down the stairs before suddenly seeing a spark and hearing a big bang.
"I fell on the wall," he said. "I was on the floor, I looked at my chest and I saw bleeding coming down my chest and I saw the hole in my chest.
"At that moment I knew I was shot."
Speaking publicly about the controversial raid for the first time, he said as he lay on the stairs bleeding and fearing for his family he was kicked in the face by a police officer and told to "shut the f*** up."
Mr Kahar told how he put his hand over his chest and saw two officers walking towards him. He then described feeling the shotgun against his chest.
He said: "I was begging 'please, please, I cannot move'."
He claimed that as he pleaded with them, the officers told him to 'shut the f*** up, stay here, stay here'.
"At that moment I thought they were going to shoot me again or shoot my brother," he said.
"I heard them shouting 'secure the room'.
"At that moment I still did not know they were the police, they never said a word about the police."
Mr Kahar claimed he was grabbed and dragged down the stairs and then thrown on the pavement outside.
He added: "I just thought 'they're going to kill us'."
He told reporters he did not realise the raid was a police operation until he was lying on the street.
He also said he did not support terrorism.
"Violence is not in my nature. It's not in my religion," he said.
Abul Koyair, 20, who like his brother was shaven-headed with a beard, told the press conference the police raid had been "like a dream".
He recalled being woken up by an alarm which appeared to be coming from inside their house.
He said his elder brother emerged from his own bedroom and started going downstairs before suddenly being shot.
He said: "After that it was all quiet. No one said anything. I thought it was like a dream.
"After about one or two minutes I realised that this was not a dream. I realised that my own brother had got shot for no reason. They tried to murder my brother."
He then saw the police officers dragging his brother downstairs, hitting him as they went.
He said: "I kept thinking to myself, 'why didn't they shoot me instead?'."
He was taken outside, handcuffed and told to look at the ground.
He said: "At that time I kept saying to the officer, 'please tell me, is my brother ok? Is my brother ok?'.
"They told me, 'just shut up, don't say a word, look down on the floor'."
Mr Kahar said he was in great pain when he was taken to the hospital, adding: "It seemed like fire. I was burning."
He said he had pleaded with the doctor not to allow him to be taken away to be interviewed, but he had seen police officers asking the doctor to release him early.
He said while he was being interrogated officers repeatedly asked him if he was a member of an extremist group, including at one point the Ku Klux Klan.
His brother told the press conference that before the raid in Forest Gate, east London, he had applied to be a community police officer.
He said he no longer wanted to join the force after the events of June 2.
The brothers' personal testimonies could pile more pressure on Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair, who has faced fresh calls to resign since the brothers were released without charge on Friday, a week after their arrest.
Yesterday, senior figures, including the Prime Minister and London Mayor Ken Livingstone, gave Sir Ian - also under pressure over the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes - their personal backing.
Asked about Sir Ian's future, the brothers stopped short of calling for him to go today.
Mr Koyair said: "Whoever is responsible should be put to justice, whoever gave the order for this happen."
Mr Kahar said: "I want everyone that was involved in it to apologise."
Mr Kahar said he supported the role of the police, adding: "Without police the country would be lawless."
He said that during his detention in Paddington Green police station he feared officers would frame him.
He told reporters: "All the way through my detention I kept thinking they are going to frame me, they are going to frame me."
He said: "I'm a law-abiding citizen. I was born and bred in east London. I love my town."
He went on: "I ain't done nothing to this country. This is my country. I love everyone around."
Experts have suggested that the brothers can expect compensation running into six figures.
The two men were arrested when 250 officers - some armed and some wearing chemical suits - raided their house in Lansdown Road.
Both were held under anti-terror legislation.
Since the raid, Scotland Yard has insisted officers had no choice but to act after receiving intelligence about the existence of a chemical bomb.
Mr Kahar said he "had no idea" who could have given the police intelligence about them.
"From my point of view the person who did this they have terrorised me and my family," he said.
Mr Kahar said his only crime was being Asian and Muslim.
He said he felt no pain from the shot at first but claimed he felt scared as officers allegedly attacked him after he was shot.
"I was begging them, I asked them to spare my life," he said.
Mr Kahar, with his right arm still in a sling, said he was given no warning before being shot in the chest.
"He (the officer) looked at me straightaway and shot and I fell on the floor," he said.
"I did not know myself I was shot until I saw my wound."
He also alleged that no one from the police had had "the decency to phone up and apologise".
Not even the senior officer had said sorry, he said.
Mr Kahar repeated his call for an apology to him and his family but added: "Suing the Met is not even in our heads at the moment."
"This has ruined my life," he continued. "I cannot sleep, I have flashbacks, I cannot sleep with the light off.
"I want everyone that was involved, whoever gave the order for the raid to happen, for the shot to go off, everyone involved to apologise."
When Mr Koyair was asked about reports suggesting he had shot his brother, he responded: "I was really upset. I would never lay a finger on my brother."
Family spokesman Asad Rehman, who also speaks for the Justice4Jean campaign set up after Mr de Menezes was shot by police in London last July, said the bullet fired at Mr Kahar had only missed his heart because of the angle it entered his chest as he came downstairs.
Mr Kahar said he would not be able to return to his house after the ordeal he had suffered.
He said the interrogation had been "like hell", adding: "I knew they made a mistake from the time they entered my house. We are an innocent family."
Asked whether he would be seeking financial compensation from the police, he replied: "I am not interested in money at all. I want everyone to be brought before the courts for the way I was shot."

A young Muslim shot by police during a dawn terror raid on a suspected bomb factory in east London broke down today as he described the moment anti-terrorist officers stormed his house.
Mohammed Abdul Kahar, 23, choked back tears as he recalled the 4am raid.
Mr Kahar told a packed press conference how he was woken by the screams of his younger brother.
"From my room I could hear this screaming so I got out of bed," he said.
He said he was clad only in boxer shorts and a t-shirt.
"I assumed a robbery was happening," he said.
He told how he edged down the stairs before suddenly seeing a spark and hearing a big bang.
"I fell on the wall," he said. "I was on the floor, I looked at my chest and I saw bleeding coming down my chest and I saw the hole in my chest.
"At that moment I knew I was shot."

[atari 2600]

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/pol...icle971684.ece
Speaking publicly about the controversial raid for the first time, he said as he lay on the stairs bleeding and fearing for his family he was kicked in the face by a police officer and told to "shut the f*** up."
Mr Kahar told how he put his hand over his chest and saw two officers walking towards him. He then described feeling the shotgun against his chest.
He said: "I was begging 'please, please, I cannot move'."
He claimed that as he pleaded with them, the officers told him to 'shut the f*** up, stay here, stay here'.
"At that moment I thought they were going to shoot me again or shoot my brother," he said.
"I heard them shouting 'secure the room'.
"At that moment I still did not know they were the police, they never said a word about the police."
Mr Kahar claimed he was grabbed and dragged down the stairs and then thrown on the pavement outside.
He added: "I just thought 'they're going to kill us'."
He told reporters he did not realise the raid was a police operation until he was lying on the street.
He also said he did not support terrorism.
"Violence is not in my nature. It's not in my religion," he said.
Abul Koyair, 20, who like his brother was shaven-headed with a beard, told the press conference the police raid had been "like a dream".
He recalled being woken up by an alarm which appeared to be coming from inside their house.
He said his elder brother emerged from his own bedroom and started going downstairs before suddenly being shot.
He said: "After that it was all quiet. No one said anything. I thought it was like a dream.
"After about one or two minutes I realised that this was not a dream. I realised that my own brother had got shot for no reason. They tried to murder my brother."
He then saw the police officers dragging his brother downstairs, hitting him as they went.
He said: "I kept thinking to myself, 'why didn't they shoot me instead?'."
He was taken outside, handcuffed and told to look at the ground.
He said: "At that time I kept saying to the officer, 'please tell me, is my brother ok? Is my brother ok?'.
"They told me, 'just shut up, don't say a word, look down on the floor'."
Mr Kahar said he was in great pain when he was taken to the hospital, adding: "It seemed like fire. I was burning."
He said he had pleaded with the doctor not to allow him to be taken away to be interviewed, but he had seen police officers asking the doctor to release him early.
He said while he was being interrogated officers repeatedly asked him if he was a member of an extremist group, including at one point the Ku Klux Klan.
His brother told the press conference that before the raid in Forest Gate, east London, he had applied to be a community police officer.
He said he no longer wanted to join the force after the events of June 2.

[atari 2600]

The brothers' personal testimonies could pile more pressure on Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair, who has faced fresh calls to resign since the brothers were released without charge on Friday, a week after their arrest.
Yesterday, senior figures, including the Prime Minister and London Mayor Ken Livingstone, gave Sir Ian - also under pressure over the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes - their personal backing.
Asked about Sir Ian's future, the brothers stopped short of calling for him to go today.
Mr Koyair said: "Whoever is responsible should be put to justice, whoever gave the order for this happen."
Mr Kahar said: "I want everyone that was involved in it to apologise."
Mr Kahar said he supported the role of the police, adding: "Without police the country would be lawless."

[king_buzzo]

ok.. that sucks. pwned

[atari 2600]

He said that during his detention in Paddington Green police station he feared officers would frame him.
He told reporters: "All the way through my detention I kept thinking they are going to frame me, they are going to frame me."
He said: "I'm a law-abiding citizen. I was born and bred in east London. I love my town."
He went on: "I ain't done nothing to this country. This is my country. I love everyone around."
Experts have suggested that the brothers can expect compensation running into six figures.
The two men were arrested when 250 officers - some armed and some wearing chemical suits - raided their house in Lansdown Road.
Both were held under anti-terror legislation.
Since the raid, Scotland Yard has insisted officers had no choice but to act after receiving intelligence about the existence of a chemical bomb.
Mr Kahar said he "had no idea" who could have given the police intelligence about them.
"From my point of view the person who did this they have terrorised me and my family," he said.
Mr Kahar said his only crime was being Asian and Muslim.
He said he felt no pain from the shot at first but claimed he felt scared as officers allegedly attacked him after he was shot.
"I was begging them, I asked them to spare my life," he said.
Mr Kahar, with his right arm still in a sling, said he was given no warning before being shot in the chest.
"He (the officer) looked at me straightaway and shot and I fell on the floor," he said.
"I did not know myself I was shot until I saw my wound."
He also alleged that no one from the police had had "the decency to phone up and apologise".
Not even the senior officer had said sorry, he said.
Mr Kahar repeated his call for an apology to him and his family but added: "Suing the Met is not even in our heads at the moment."
"This has ruined my life," he continued. "I cannot sleep, I have flashbacks, I cannot sleep with the light off.
"I want everyone that was involved, whoever gave the order for the raid to happen, for the shot to go off, everyone involved to apologise."
When Mr Koyair was asked about reports suggesting he had shot his brother, he responded: "I was really upset. I would never lay a finger on my brother."
Family spokesman Asad Rehman, who also speaks for the Justice4Jean campaign set up after Mr de Menezes was shot by police in London last July, said the bullet fired at Mr Kahar had only missed his heart because of the angle it entered his chest as he came downstairs.
Mr Kahar said he would not be able to return to his house after the ordeal he had suffered.
He said the interrogation had been "like hell", adding: "I knew they made a mistake from the time they entered my house. We are an innocent family."
Asked whether he would be seeking financial compensation from the police, he replied: "I am not interested in money at all. I want everyone to be brought before the courts for the way I was shot."

[atari 2600]

Over all other things that are pertinent as well, this Muslim citizen of London's story is perhaps the best example concerning exactly why it is your responsibility as a human being to know the political truth about 9/11, the violation of human rights here in America and abroad, and the War in Iraq.

Meanwhile, Rove gets cleared today.
Meanwhile, we're deploying 75,000 more troops tomorrow which are, in my opinion, at this point needed over there just to give us more overall security and try to make the best of an extremely fucked-up situation.

[Florya]

Just think, if this guy hadn't been shot we'd probably never have heard about this raid.
I wonder how many other innocent people have had their doors kicked in, in the middle of the night, in the name of freedom and security.

[Florya]

Originally Posted by atari 2600

Over all other things that are pertinent as well, this is perhapos the best example concerning exactly why it is your reposnisibility to know the political truth about 9/11, the violation of human rights here in America and abroad, and the War in Iraq.

Meanwhile, Rove gets cleared today.
Meanwhile, we're deploying 75,000 more troops tomorrow which are, in my opinion, at this point needed, over there just to give us more overall security and try to make the best of a fucked-up situation.

And Bush has just arrived in Baghdad to show how brave he is,now that the evil bogeyman Zarqawi is no longer able to 'bring it on'.

[Tokolosh]

Islamophobia makes me sick!!!

[Florya]

atari - where did you get your number of 75,000 more troops?

The only mention I've heard of an amount that large is when Maliki announced today that he's going to flood Baghdad with 75,000 Iraqi and multinational troops to try and get the sectarian shit to stop.

[Tokolosh]

At least three-quarters of the Iraqi people are members of one of the country's 150 tribes. Iraq's society is feudalistic,
with most of the population identifying him/herself with one tribe.
This is something that has been going on for centuries.

http://healingiraq.blogspot.com/tribalmap.JPG

Sure that Sadam fucked his country over, but don't think for a minute that the invasion of Iraq has brought stability to the region.
In fact, it's become worse and there's total anarchy now.
Bush and all the western leaders that supported the war, should first
think about their own problems back home before looking abroad!

[atari 2600]

yeah it's a combination actually of mainly US & Iraqi forces, Florya.

sometimes it's hard for me to include everything when my sentences have already become these long, tangential, maze-like structures of grammar and ideas.

& then i forget to mention it in the next sentence...

I agree, Tokolosh. These tribes will always hate each other & war over the resources of the region.

on that subject & the subject of Hussein:
Sunni leader Saddam Hussein is evil. He came to power by evil & as he left power he was ruling as an evil tyrant over the citizens of that country. There was a time in the middle of his rule there to get everyone behind him & to make the country more liveable & secure for himself that Hussein actually did some good, but he is a lecherous person.
As Tokolosh's previous post points, maybe that country needed to be ruled by an iron fist though. Just like the Hebrews needed the Old Testament, for instance. It certainly isn't the US' place to invade a sovereign nation on trumped-up accusations just because the leader is a dictator & is fucking us over on oil prices.

No. 2 al-Zaqawi was evil. Hopefully we can alll agree on these things.
Here's where things get perhaps more difficult to accept.
al-Zarqawi was a Sunni extremist, not the typical Shi'ite extremist & they are simply the worst. These tribes hate each other. The reason why more troops are going in now is because they plan the final extermination of the Sunni insurgency and to hand over power to the Shi'ites with the deal they had all along. We're still building the palacial US Embassy, we still got the pipeline thing going into Europe. Once the Sunnis are squashed, & it may even take years, then it'll be announced that our troops are leaving & Iraq will have effecively become Iran II and power will be handed over to Shi'ite extremists. If the US honestly thinks that through doing this we can win them as an ally once they gain greater weaponry years down the line, then we are fooling ourselves and effectively selling out ours & everybody else's future.* Shi'ites are anti-Zionist jihadist terrorists, trained from an early age under penalty of death.
*Yes, all this affects Europeans too. That should be crytal clear to everyone, due to "attacks" in London and Madrid & stories like the one told today by Mr. Kahar, but unfortunately it isn't as some make it all into some cartoon starring the bumbling, full-of-himself "American Cowboy Bush"; for whom another head will also grow after he leaves office. World commerce cannot happen without America's devotion of a significant portion of our military power to maintain it. Without our Navy & Air Force providing security on the world's oceans & in the world's skies, there is no more modern commerce for this world. As America weakens, everything shakes up.

[porkmarras]

Originally Posted by Florya

Just think, if this guy hadn't been shot we'd probably never have heard about this raid.
I wonder how many other innocent people have had their doors kicked in, in the middle of the night, in the name of freedom and security.

You just have to witness the perpetual harassement that the asian community gets in the Whitechapel area where i lived last year.Whenever some sort of fabricated terror alarm happens to be brought up by the government ,for one reason or another,it is not rare to see cops harassing young or not young asian people on the street.It is a fucking disgrace.The war on terrorism is a very little war in fact.Let's also bring up the fact that Europe in general has a history of politically motivated terrorism since the dawn of time(figuratively) and it does make me firmly believe that the lies just get bigger and bigger,the motivations for the invasion of Iraq are purely economical ones.No war on evil.Just plain evil.

[Tokolosh]

Enemies are not always made, they are sometimes created!

[Tokolosh]

Originally Posted by porkmarras

You just have to witness the perpetual harassement that the asian community gets in the Whitechapel area where i lived last year.Whenever some sort of fabricated terror alarm happens to be brought up by the government ,for one reason or another,it is not rare to see cops harassing young or not young asian people on the street.It is a fucking disgrace.The war on terrorism is a very little war in fact.Let's also bring up the fact that Europe in general has a history of politically motivated terrorism since the dawn of time(figuratively) and it does make me firmly believe that the lies just get bigger and bigger,the motivations for the invasion of Iraq are purely economical ones.No war on evil.Just plain evil.

You're so goddam right Porkmarras!
It's about our interests and not theirs.

[Laila]

I feel a world war comming on pretty soon. does anyone else ever get this feeling? If bush invades Iran it's probably going to happen

[Laila]

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world right now i read.

[Tokolosh]

Originally Posted by Laila

I feel a world war comming on pretty soon. does anyone else ever get this feeling? If bush invades Iran it's probably going to happen

I wouldn't want to think so, but it's probably inevitable... in the long run.

[Laila]

Originally Posted by AssBlaster

One out of three people in the world are Christian.

yeah but there are alot more crazy muslims than crazy christians. anything is possible. i just pray all this shit will end soon, but i don't see it happening.

[porkmarras]

I would bet my money that eventually the tensions between China,the USA and Europe will spill out into something alltogether more frightening.