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Old 06.18.2009, 06:46 PM   #1
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Anyone know who of the Yoof propagated the use of James Joyce in Secret Girls on EVOL?

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Old 06.18.2009, 07:42 PM   #2
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Old 06.18.2009, 07:51 PM   #3
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It was probably Thurston since he writes the worst lyrics in the band, and James Joyce (at least Finnegans Wake) is an awful, awful writer only praised for his "avant-garde" bullshit, so.. yeah, probably Thurston.

Idk, I may eventually get to reading A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man or Dubliners, or even Ulysses, but fuck something as pretentious as Finnegans Wake. Though wherever the Secret Girl lyric is from, I do enjoy that line, at the least.
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Old 06.18.2009, 10:09 PM   #4
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i totally freaked out when i was reading ulysses and saw those "secret girls" lines... at the time, i had no idea that's where they originated.
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Old 06.18.2009, 11:16 PM   #5
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James Joyce (at least Finnegans Wake) is an awful, awful writer only praised for his "avant-garde" bullshit

This is funny coming from someone on a Sonic Youth board.
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Old 06.18.2009, 11:57 PM   #6
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Dunno, but Text of Light have a track on a James Joyce "tribute" album.

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Old 06.19.2009, 08:17 PM   #7
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It was probably Thurston since he writes the worst lyrics in the band, and James Joyce (at least Finnegans Wake) is an awful, awful writer only praised for his "avant-garde" bullshit

I like thurston lyrics and I love Ulysses...
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Old 06.19.2009, 08:40 PM   #8
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It was probably Thurston since he writes the worst lyrics in the band, and James Joyce (at least Finnegans Wake) is an awful, awful writer only praised for his "avant-garde" bullshit, so.. yeah, probably Thurston.

Idk, I may eventually get to reading A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man or Dubliners, or even Ulysses, but fuck something as pretentious as Finnegans Wake. Though wherever the Secret Girl lyric is from, I do enjoy that line, at the least.

Wow. You've just pressed about thirteen of my anger buttons. Your judging the best writer of the 20th-century on the basis of a book you haven't read because it's (your quotes) "avant-garde"(a movement, so far as I know, Joyce wasn't involved in). I mean, I really don't care to tell people that over-earnest bollocks of 'man, you need to read [x]', but you may as well say that Ovid is pretentious for writing in a language that no-one speaks any more.
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Old 06.19.2009, 08:41 PM   #9
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From what I remember, the 'you're the boy/ who can enjoy invisibility' line may be from a folk song quote by Joyce, FYI.

And, furthermore, I think the Joyce use comes in Ulysses, though my memory of that and the Wake is necessarily hazy.
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Old 06.19.2009, 08:58 PM   #10
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i totally freaked out when i was reading ulysses and saw those "secret girls" lines... at the time, i had no idea that's where they originated.

I knew they were from somewhere but I couldn't remember what it was. I was as giddy as a school girl when I read them.
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Old 06.19.2009, 09:07 PM   #11
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I really don't know if it's a good idea for rock musicians to start quoting joyce. Barrett did it with Golden Hair and the poor fucker ended up sitting in the park trying to eat his own shins - so to speak.
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Old 06.19.2009, 10:20 PM   #12
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the sonics seem okay, though... and they did that in the eighties.
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Old 06.20.2009, 06:53 AM   #13
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I saw Lee Ranado and Mike Watt in a club in the Village in 2001 doing this improvised thing over which they read bits from Finnegans Wake.
It wasn't very good.
Then they did some Stooges covers and that was. Very good indeed.
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Old 06.21.2009, 11:13 AM   #14
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Sometime reading a passage aloud comes across as reading a passage aloud.

The best thing would be to actually read the passage yourself at home...
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I like thurston lyrics and I love Ulysses...
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Agreed, Thurston write a bunch of great songs. and Joyce is a great author
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Old 06.21.2009, 06:53 PM   #16
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Wow. You've just pressed about thirteen of my anger buttons. Your judging the best writer of the 20th-century on the basis of a book you haven't read because it's (your quotes) "avant-garde"(a movement, so far as I know, Joyce wasn't involved in). I mean, I really don't care to tell people that over-earnest bollocks of 'man, you need to read [x]', but you may as well say that Ovid is pretentious for writing in a language that no-one speaks any more.

Agree with this also
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