[Severian]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

well what i was trying to imply is that maybe the american oldboy is creepier due to the american penchant for confirming andrea dworkin's statement that all sex is rape

park DOES have a tendency towards gory & disturbing shit though, so YMMV, but i don't recall oldboy being particularly rapey. i'd have to rewatch & see. also, sympathy for mr. vengeance was more coen brothers than anything else--but with a twist. or twists. sad. but so great.

the thing about it though, this prejudice of a sad premise of "rape and revenge" is very hollywood, and park is not that sort of simpleton. he finds ways to make the disturbing interesting past the graphic shit. he gives it a reason. i like him for that. his violence is not gratuitous and tends to serve a larger purpose, which is usually some sort of "big question" about human nature.

speaking of which, i believe ilducio hates gratuitous violence and yet he recommended you it.

wait. the american oldboy was a spike lee joint. i couldnt say if it was good or not. but the original, which was based on a manga, was just so fucking great. hardcore and disturbing sure, but not without a purpose.

IN ANY CASE

it's just movies, not death or taxes. you can avoid if you wanna.

Spike Lee? Really? Whaaat?

Ok, well, you compared to the Coen Bros. (who almost always have some sort of twist themselves, just satin'), so now I need to see this shit for sure. I'll let y'all know why I think.

I'll probably watch another day though, because American Gods is premiering tonight and I have an I watched Doctor Who to get to.

[ilduclo]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

speaking of which, i believe ilducio hates gratuitous violence and yet he recommended you it.

didn't find anything particularly gratuitous about it. Been a while since I saw it, too

[LifeDistortion]

Oldboy has a revelation that if I were to say what that is would spoil the ending of the movie, but one that's pretty shocking. It definitely could leave a bad taste for a viewer who does not like certain sexual taboos.

[!@#$%!]

it's not so shocking, not in the usual horrible way, it's just the cruelty on the other end that is what's terrible, but anyway

LET'S PLEASE SAY "OLDBOY" NO MORE

i'm saying this because we keep misdirecting the guy:

TAKE THE PROPER ENTRANCE. THE DOOR IS "SYMPATHY FOR MR. VENGEANCE." IT'S A TRILOGY. THAT'S THE FIRST ONE.

00

sorry im yelling lol my caps got stucked

just came from watching BULLITT. of which i remembered *absolutely nothing*. i'm watching and saying to my wife "oh, i knew where this is going"

the only think always remembered is the car. ford mustang vs. dodge charger.

i must have been so addled, i even forgot jacqueline bisset in it! i had such a crush on her as a child ha ha ha ha.

BUT ANYWAY

last weekend it was the glorious PAPILLON which i hadn't seen in a million years, and wow did it look a lot better than the VHS copy. glossy-glossy-glossy 70s production. god damn you have to admire those cinematographers of yore. their level of craft, and the limit of their tools vs. digital. holy shit. enormous difference.

well i have to go now. it's letter-writing day lololol. i've decided to institute that. since weekdays have been busy.

[LifeDistortion]

But Park Chan-Wook's Vengence trilogy is not a trilogy in the same way that Lord of the Rings is a trilogy, they don't have the same characters or follow a sequential series of events. Its a trilogy in theme only.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by LifeDistortion

But Park Chan-Wook's Vengence trilogy is not a trilogy in the same way that Lord of the Rings is a trilogy, they don't have the same characters or follow a sequential series of events. Its a trilogy in theme only.

true. dat.

but you can see him as he matures though, and explores his subject, and there is value in that, especially because, as a philosopher, themes are very much his subject

and yeah, oldboy is the best one of the three, but for me that's like jumping to the main dish while skipping the appetizer, or something

a bit like music, with themes and variations

btw you ever watched hal hartleys' "flirt"? i haven't in ages but now i wanna see it again ha ha ha

--

also: i read up about the spike lee version and there's a rape in that plot that's absent in the korean version

[evollove]

 

DEFENDING YOUR LIFE

I thought it was a clever and highly amusing flick, like most of Albert Brooks' stuff.

Tons of rape though.

[EVOLghost]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

chan-wook park's THE HANDMAIDEN

 

this guy this guy this guy. he keeps getting better. why is he so good? how is he so good?

he always makes the most beautiful images. he's always very serious and very funny. he always has these great plots full of suprises. he's great at his craft and he's great at his art. he's just fucking great. god damn.

finally saw it ehh? pretty fucking amazing movie.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by EVOLghost

finally saw it ehh? pretty fucking amazing movie.

YES. i wanna see it again soon. maybe in the summer.

[ilduclo]

the Bothersome Man

[greenlight]

had a movie day.... Gold, Live by Night.

[demonrail666]

 

Rabid

I'm a big fan of early Cronenberg, up to probably Videodrome, not so much the stuff he did after, besides the occasional little gem. I always think he was a movie-equivalent to Ballard in his early horror films, less so later, even though it could be argued that Ballard's in influence was, if anything, even stronger then.

[ilduclo]

Life

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5442430/

creepy little space amoeba eats Ryan Renolds!

[!@#$%!]

this morning i finally watched SAVING PRIVATE RYAN

 

spielberg is a technical genius and those tiger and panzer tanks were the sharks from jaws


also saw friday

MANCHESTER BY THE SEA

it's really brilliantly written, i loved that i was unable to predict anything that was about to happen, at all. soooo refreshing. shot beautifully too. damn. the acting wasn't bad at all either. casey affleck as a numbed-out broken beast was not an easy role. he's practically on every scene. the kid isn't bad either in his naturalistic function. this was all very good.

 

that's just some random shot i found that doesn't give away much lol. but that there's your main character and his setting.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

 

Rabid

I'm a big fan of early Cronenberg, up to probably Videodrome, not so much the stuff he did after, besides the occasional little gem. I always think he was a movie-equivalent to Ballard in his early horror films, less so later, even though it could be argued that Ballard's in influence was, if anything, even stronger then.

O WAIT THIS IS THE MARILYN CHAMBERS ONE YES

(but-- who's influence on what?)

[TheDom]

Alright first up: For a friends b day we went to see Eraserhead at a local theatre. It was playing the day of his birthday and it's his favorite movie so it was a great time, however I realized after watching it this time that I think I've finally seen it enough and it no longer has any mystery. It really felt novelty. They played the Grandmother to open it and I was honestly super bored during the whole 30 min. Its hard to not respect Lynch but lately I've super cooled on my opinion of him.

On the brighter side the local theatre is playing the new restoration of Stalker soon so I have been binging on Tarkovsky lately. Andrei Rublev is a Top 10 film for me. I really can't praise the man enough HOWEVER it seems I'm in a minortiy when it comes to not liking Solaris very much. The lady and I did a Space Race double feature the other day of 2001 and Solaris. I almost hate saying it but 2001 totally takes the cake as the better film, even though I feel more connected to Tarkovsky's way of thinking. 2001 just works better as a whole. Curious to know how others feel about the two very similar films.

[Severian]

I've never seen Solaris but it's hard to imagine anything being "like" 2001 and also being "better" than 2001. I probably prerer Interstellar, simply because it's a product of my era my maybe-favorite director's space epic, but while I enjoy it more, it's certainly not a better film.

I will have to look into Solaris.

But just to be clear, you're recommending the '72 film, right? Not the 2002 Soderbergh American remake, which from what I hear is shit spackled shit.

[TheDom]

Yeah stay the fuck away from the Soderbergh.

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

(but-- who's influence on what?)

His early films seem quite close to Ballard in terms theme. His later films seem closer in terms of tone.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

His early films seem quite close to Ballard in terms theme. His later films seem closer in terms of tone.

ah!