[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by wellcharge

not that many people even buy LPs, 4500 in a week on vinyl is a fuck alot, mtv wouldn't write an article about it if it wasn't a big deal

plus...they sold out of them, meaning if they had pressed a couple thousand more they probably could have shipped them as well

4500 vinyls, sent out, ten a t a time (if that) to 450 independent record stores throughout the nation, that means in each city there is an average of 10-30 people who own that album. that is cool and all, an I would die of happiness if any music I made was so purchased, but it is really a trickle.

[davenotdead]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

hence my statement about DEFINING YOUR PARAMETERS

blanket statements like "AC are popular" are meaningless without context.

Mudhoney was not on MTV at first and they sold tens of thouands of LP's through subpop, then a completely indie label.

and they were not very popular, but the Hipsters (like all of us on SY forum) knew about them. there is a difference.

my point is that AC has been growing by way of fantastic music... hype has been at a fever pitch with last year's live shows, as fans eagerly awaited to hear the live songs be put through the studio process, and like many predicted, they made their best album at the best possible time. they sold as many vinyl of the new album in 1 week, as their last album sold altogether. and most kids don't have record players.

[SYRFox]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

Fixed?

It ain't an interesting discussion. It's people staying on their position without moving the slightest bit and rehashing the same arguments over and over. It has absolutely no interest. Plus I don't see any interest in discussing whether 4500 LPs and 15 000 000 tracks on last.fm sold means popular or not

[atsonicpark]

Cool. Everyone else who's replying finds it interesting, though, and that's why they're replying. Sorry the current discussion within this 11 page thread isn't interesting to you. We'll get back to discussing the album shortly.

[SYRFox]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

blanket statements like "AC are popular" are meaningless without context.

That was an interesting part of the discussion

[davenotdead]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

4500 vinyls, sent out, ten a t a time (if that) to 450 independent record stores throughout the nation, that means in each city there is an average of 10-30 people who own that album. that is cool and all, an I would die of happiness if any music I made was so purchased, but it is really a trickle.

you're gonna be surprised how many sales were directly from the label... are there even 450 independent record stores left?

most everyone i know of pre-ordered through the label.

[atsonicpark]

Rob, this is a bit unrelated, but I'm curious if you think Mindless Self Indulgence are a "popular" band. I have a point to make here, but I'm going to wait.

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by wellcharge

did they sell tens of thousands in the first week? on vinyl only

albums sell way less now than they did back then, this album has been out less than a week and only on one(unpopular) format and has sold enough to possibly chart,there's no way you can say that's not popularity, even mtv is impressed

MTV is impressed when Jay Z can find his tiny cock. fuck them and their attempts at remaining relevant by trying to latch on to the Pitchfork hype surrounding AC. yeah.

[uhler]

i bet all 4500 was sold in williamsburg.

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

Animal Collective are a popular band. You have a very narrow and uninformed view of the world. So.... MTV articles doesn't mean shit. Billboard top 200 doesn't mean shit. Spin doesn't mean shit. Listening parties all over the United States doesn't mean shit. Millions of listeners doesn't mean shit. Coverage by EVERY music website, magazine, fanzine, blog, etc. doesn't mean shit. I haven't checked, but their videos probably have MILLIONS of views on youtube. I know, I know, that doesn't mean anything, no one's actually watching them. Oh, what else.. I dunno, I could go on all day. They're not "big by Sonic Youth gossip standards", they are big. Period. And they're only going to get bigger. Also... When, exactly, in this digital age of 2009, do they become "popular"? Once they hit platinum status? That will probably NEVER happen by anyone EVER again, except like Eminem or some bullshit.

Well, the vast majority of the population in the world likes shit music. If anything the above reinforces what I knew already. Still, thanks for reminding me once more.

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by davenotdead

my point is that AC has been growing by way of fantastic music... hype has been at a fever pitch with last year's live shows, as fans eagerly awaited to hear the live songs be put through the studio process, and like many predicted, they made their best album at the best possible time. they sold as many vinyl of the new album in 1 week, as their last album sold altogether. and most kids don't have record players.

I agree man, and all praise be to their talents and skillz, but I was just trying to clarify "popular" when used in the context of Animal Collective

[davenotdead]

its not only pitchfork... AC are in GQ and National Geographic Adventurer. SY was never in National geographic Adventurer, were they?

[wellcharge]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

MTV is impressed when Jay Z can find his tiny cock. fuck them and their attempts at remaining relevant by trying to latch on to the Pitchfork hype surrounding AC. yeah.

so they're on the same websites that usually report jay-z, and the trendiest music site on the whole internet is hyping them

that means they're popular

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

Rob, this is a bit unrelated, but I'm curious if you think Mindless Self Indulgence are a "popular" band. I have a point to make here, but I'm going to wait.

cannot judge for that is the first time I have ever heard that name (if it really IS a band )

[uhler]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

Rob, this is a bit unrelated, but I'm curious if you think Mindless Self Indulgence are a "popular" band. I have a point to make here, but I'm going to wait.

i think they were pretty popular at one time. i'm not sure about now. i think ac is more popular then them at this point.

[greedrex]

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

i will, if that makes you happy. i promise not to say that animal collective are a shit band anymore.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[greedrex]

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

Well, the vast majority of the population in the world likes shit music. If anything the above reinforces what I knew already. Still, thanks for reminding me once more.

ooooooooooooooooooooooh

[atsonicpark]

Haha, nevermind, Rob didn't really answer so I have no point to make now... Carry on.

[davenotdead]

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

Well, the vast majority of the population in the world likes shit music. If anything the above reinforces what I knew already. Still, thanks for reminding me once more.

u older guys are missing the point.

the point is they make good music... and this sales number is some historic shit in the digital age. even if you don't like it, you can't say all of their music is bad... or you can, but then you'll be found out as the pretentious-prick-who-just-likes-to-argue that you are.

Originally Posted by greedrex

ooooooooooooooooooooooh

You didn't believe I'd keep the promise, did you? C'mon, they're just some shit band, that's all.