[Pookie]

Originally Posted by knox

to think my participation in this discussion started by defending an atheist who was getting a jesus poke.

A Jesus poke? We're back to the hardcore again.

[knox]

I lack belief in belief and in the lack of belief.

fucks sake, shoot me.

[the ikara cult]

Originally Posted by knox

is it really? so if i don't believe in any Gods am I automatically an atheist? Can I not reject that?

There have been so many Gods, everyone is an atheist to some degree. If you reject the idea there are no Gods, you must therefore accept the idea there are one or more gods. I hate to get bogged down in semantics but i like to say what i mean

[the ikara cult]

Originally Posted by knox

I lack belief in belief and in the lack of belief.

fucks sake, shoot me.

to be fair you did bring it up. and this is your thread!

[knox]

out of curiosity, ill see what the dictionary says.

atheist - a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings

agnostic - a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.

I see a difference.

[wellcharge]

this thread is alot more fun to read after a few beers lol

[the ikara cult]

gnostic
theist

two different things

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by the ikara cult

Ive already outlined my position earlier in this thread. So if you are struggling i refer you to that. But with that in mind and assumed as common knowledge to this thread by now, you are either the most base level of smart arse or a simpleton on the level of a chimp (unevolved) pissing into its own mouth
Happy Christmas

Okay, looking up your post because I <3 you.

[knox]

I've been having some beers during the whole process. And it's great because I discovered I should be calling myself an agnostic all this time. But I don't like how the word sounds. So I'm gonna be calling myself a cunt, because I think the word cunt sounds much better.

[the ikara cult]

Originally Posted by pbradley

Okay, looking up your post because I <3 you.

you didnt have to tell me sweetheart, i sense all

[wellcharge]

mythos is a terrible beer but i love it because it reminds me of that time in halkidiki when i climbed the mountain

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by the ikara cult

"Atheism" is a purely oppositional position, it just means what it says. Its not a worldview on everything, it says you dont believe in any of the Gods that people have conceived. If you think thats fundamentalist, you dont know how to use words.

In responding to this, I would like to refer back to my example of the chair in the closed room. An atheism of this definition assumes both hard atheism and agnosticism. By atheism, let's say it is achairism. There is an assertion of the lack of a chair and a suspension of a lack of a chair. To further answer this question, we must contrast belief from knowledge. What would we call knowledge that there is no chair? Achairism? No, that can't be. To be charitable, we must consider not an assertion of a lack of a chair but the opposition to the belief in an chair. So, considering the etymology, we get an a-chairism and an a-chair-ism. That is, 'not a belief in chair' or 'a belief that chair is not.' This distinction is schismatic and we return to the question: what would we call the knowledge that there is no chair? What is atheism as both opposition and denial? I mean denial here in the sense of making a conclusive metaphysical statement (or, rather, a denial of metaphysics). As we should see, agnosticism makes a perfect statement of the suspension of a lack of god/chair. Thus, this leaves atheism as an affirmative statement against the existence of God and not the belief in the existence of God.

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by knox

I've been having some beers during the whole process. And it's great because I discovered I should be calling myself an agnostic all this time. But I don't like how the word sounds. So I'm gonna be calling myself a cunt, because I think the word cunt sounds much better.

Agnosticism is for art history majors. I'm all absurdist up in this shit.

[knox]

Originally Posted by wellcharge

mythos is a terrible beer but i love it because it reminds me of that time in halkidiki when i climbed the mountain

all beer is beer.

[wellcharge]

Originally Posted by knox

all beer is beer.

if you ever try crappy ukrainian beers you will no longer believe this

[wellcharge]

the taste of an old mans butt, now available in several convenient formats

 

[knox]

it looks strange enough!

this whole thing put me in the mood to start a new religious cult.

[the ikara cult]

Originally Posted by pbradley

In responding to this, I would like to refer back to my example of the chair in the closed room. An atheism of this definition assumes both hard atheism and agnosticism. By atheism, let's say it is achairism. There is an assertion of the lack of a chair and a suspension of a lack of a chair. To further answer this question, we must contrast belief from knowledge. What would we call knowledge that there is no chair? Achairism? No, that can't be. To be charitable, we must consider not an assertion of a lack of a chair but the opposition of to the belief in an chair. So, considering the etymology, we get an a-chairism and an a-chair-ism. That is, 'not a belief in chair' or 'a belief that chair is not.' This distinction is schismatic and we return to the question: what would we call the knowledge that there is no chair? What is atheism as both opposition and denial? I mean denial here in the sense of making a conclusive metaphysical statement (or, rather, a denial of metaphysics).

Fine
Extend your point to include tables, sofas, colostomy bags, girraffes with 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 necks and every other thing you can possibly imagine including the God you are thinking of now, and now, and now, and now, which are equally likely then you might have a point.

You could of course acknowlege the limitations of the human mind and its inability to assert any of these things, but coming from such a prime beef example as yourself you probbaly wont.
til then

[pbradley]

I should buy beer tomorrow because I'm drinking all this up.

Too bad my dad has a half-shit taste in beer.

Michelob... trash

[wellcharge]

i had really good beer,la fin du monde, and now i'm drinking shit and honestly i like the shit better,sorry gmku