[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by pbradley

I've always thought that abstinence is too obvious to teach.

obviously not.

Originally Posted by knox

Abstinence is not a fact, it is not science so how can it be part of the school curriculum?

Originally Posted by demonrail666

I disapprove just as much of Marxist teachers talking about history solely from a Marxist perspective without declaring it as just that, a position, and not providing even-handed accounts of other positions that might contradict it. In essence, I disapprove of any kind of teaching method that could be seen as providing a kind of ideological indoctrination, be it faith based, politically biased or even secular.

From France and Russia to China and Ethiopia, history has demonstrated the negative effects on culture and society when you try to erradicate religion and mythology from a population in the name of ideology. Religion and myth is an expression of culture and social norms and collective understandings, and if you try to remove them they will only transcend these limits and take shape in a new form. In Marxist countries, people's political zeal took on religious fervor as they had no other expression of their religious sentiments. Religion is a language of emotional/cultural expression and we should not limit the expression of our youth in the name of freedom of expression.

Originally Posted by knox

but then again, we're talking about public schools and institutions that have people from several backgrounds.

so why not simply include all religion and culture into the curriculum rather then purposely stripping it of any specific religion/culture in the name of political correctness? Censorship of any kind or intention remains tyranny nonetheless..

Originally Posted by pbradley

In other classes, too, religion as a social institution can be relevant to the subject. I suppose I don't understand what you mean of religion as a way to discuss all topics, even though I went to a Jesuit university.

read Joseph Campbell's the Masks of God to understand the overarching function of religion and mythology.

[knox]

Religious studies like mentioned before includes some of all religions in the curriculum. And of course, abstinence is too obvious to teach, everyone knows they can choose not to have sex.

What they need to know is: these are the options, these are the drugs, this is how our bodies work, these are the risks.

[gualbert]

SuchFriends, are you a christian?

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by knox

Religious studies like mentioned before includes some of all religions in the curriculum. And of course, abstinence is too obvious to teach, everyone knows they can choose not to have sex.

What they need to know is: these are the options, these are the drugs, this is how our bodies work, these are the risks.

but some people need to be reminded even of and especially of the obvious from time to time

[knox]

Originally Posted by gualbert

SuchFriends, are you a christian?

isnt it obvious.

why on earth would anyone need to be reminded that they are capable of not having sex? makes no sense.

like i said, its like saying, the best way to avoid food intoxication is not to eat. too obvious to even be said, now imagine taught.

[akprodr]

Originally Posted by knox

too obvious to even be said, now imagine taught.

Never underestimate the stupidity of some people.

To me, I guess the point of 'teaching' abstinence is to counter disinformation--you can't get pregnant if we're standing up or doggy or ...

[amerikangod]

I'm seriously considering getting in on this debate, but that'd require I read eleven pages of arguments. Is it worth it?

[demonrail666]

it isn't. just remind yourself that a bald vagina is the holy grail and that everything else is Queen sans Mercury

[MellySingsDoom]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

i just remind yourself that a bald vagina is the holy grail and that everything else is Queen sans Mercury

I wanna quote this, not so much for truth (bald vaginas are, as Noel Coward once said, "Really rather unspeakable, old boy"), but for sheer intellectual Paul Raymond-ness. So there.

[demonrail666]

more importantly, where do you stand omn fist clenchers?

[MellySingsDoom]

Fist clenchers? Is that a term for anal fisting? If so, Melly says "no" to bum-tunnelling. If it's a term for Noddy Holder-style fist waving around, then I'm all for it.

[demonrail666]

you've managed to pervertthe entire concept of the fist clencher with your homoisms. Fist Clenchers being the Alamo when it comes to such matters. Leave us something, at least!

[MellySingsDoom]

I think I understand - fist clenching being a true heterosexual type of thing. What I have done is compared the manliness of ZZ Top to the bum-friendly wonderfulness of John Inman. I would concede immediately that Billy Gibbons is many things, but is indubitably not an uphill gardener.

[demonrail666]

good god man, the very fact that you've even included Gibbons in reference to gaydom has made me want to have unsafe sex with a 1940s sailor. See what you've done?

[MellySingsDoom]

You'll be watching Village People videos next. And before you know it, you'll be wanting to buy all of Divine's records on Ebay. Looks like I've unleashed a big pink swishy monster.

[demonrail666]

I've seen every village people video going and was also present at Divine's UK memorial at the Scala. But by Christ that's pushing the home-envelope

[MellySingsDoom]

At least I haven't mentioned the patron saint of certain gays (K***e M*****e). Even I have my limits, honest. But I can't help but push my fist up the anus of manly heterosexual straightness.

[gmku]

In any case... this thread title would make a good name for a band. Hell, every other good name has been taken. Why not.

[demonrail666]

seriously, I've patented the name 'LazorChrist', which be my reckoning is the last great band title in existence.

[gmku]

Nah. Sounds like Christian alternative rock.