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Originally Posted by dead_battery

nowhere do i advocate faith. what is possible in this world is to predict where technological progress is going. you can allign yourself with it.

Yet again, that is a matter of faith, because technology is dependent on humans who inherently making mistakes, time and time again in our history they have been cataclysmic mistakes. So yes, technology could keep evolving, yet it could just as easily collapse. Technology is not an inevitability as you've described, rather its fragility is based on the reality that as technology evolves, it also exponentially increases the number of dependent variables and hence increases the risk towards failure.

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that's why i like parts of accelerationism, because it gets around this problem by saying that technology is also subject to darwinian impulses, and it's literally using us to bring itself into existence.

i don't think this is particularly unrealistic. those dinosaurs and plants that became the oil our cars use - that's a real process. obviously we're part of a similar process.

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Originally Posted by dead_battery

that's why i like parts of accelerationism, because it gets around this problem by saying that technology is also subject to darwinian impulses, and it's literally using us to bring itself into existence.

i don't think this is particularly unrealistic. those dinosaurs and plants that became the oil our cars use - that's a real process. obviously we're part of a similar process.

it's all information vs. increasing entropy so of course it is subject to selective pressure. there are not "impulses" though, much less from within--that would be buffonian not darwinian.

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in other words -- "life" is a maxwell demon

but it's not the only maxwell demon

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cody wilson gets it

the basic essence of what im trying to say about technology is put forward really well here. very american specific but still worth thinking about

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i don't have time to watch a phone video for 30 minutes, though i'll happily read a transcript or other writings--- but do you mean this "free market anarchist"?

 

i didn't know you were a free market anarchist/libertarian Hayek-loving gun nut! i had you pegged all wrong! all wrong! pardon my misunderstanding.

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im not of course.

its not that stuff that interests me, which i dismiss under the broad stroke of "american", because its all ridiculous fantasies that only americans could believe. but his discussion about revolution and the relationship between the state and 3d printing, in that video you didnt watch, that's good.

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Originally Posted by dead_battery

im not of course.

its not that stuff that interests me, which i dismiss under the broad stroke of "american", because its all ridiculous fantasies that only americans could believe. but his discussion about revolution and the relationship between the state and 3d printing, in that video you didnt watch, that's good.

that's still rooted in strong individualism, not in the replacement of one totalitarianism for another.

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dude i cant hear you over the sound of my own personal brand of currency coming out of the 3d printer. you're probably a fed anyway.

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"You still car jacking, nah player, well what is the new thing, white collared crime and computer hacking!" E-40

 

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you're goddamn right.

if it gets to the point where banks can't even guarantee the location or stability of their capital, then things might get interesting.

the hysterical whingpocalypse of libertardians since the 08 crash is completely and utterly irrelevant. as if they can restore some "real wealth" that's lying in wait obscured by "fiat" currency.

the fact is that more and more money is digitized, and this process is not going to slow down.

obsolescence of capitalism.

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Here is the irony, if technology enables the criminal, it further empowers the law. The digital paper trail can be more revealing than the literal ones. Computer crime is sometimes even more trackable than old fashioned strong arm robbery..

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id like to see organized robin hood hacker bureaucracies that rob the 1% and distribute to the rest.

the idea of trad capitalism was "these ninjas got gold in they vaults so dont fuck with them and go run the rat maze for some coins."

dont know how the system can cope with the new digital world.

will be interesting to see how it plays out.

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The paper trail would be in the distribution. Virtual money would be even more obviously trackable than paper money. Its pie in the sky, if it were feasible all the hackers would be doing donuts in Lamborghini's after sitting courtside at Miami Heat games

Again, NSA, drones, billions of surveillence cameras, GPS tracking/monitoring ...err "location" on mobile phones.. If you ask me the government loves the new digital world more than any other, they're doing a better job of fucking people than the fucking Romans or the damned Crusaders

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maybe.

i wonder if you couldnt destroy the system completely by organizing enough digital hacking.

just bring it to absolute chaos.

all those other things you mentioned aren't just locked up in gov hands. anything is hackable, even the nsa. its data in clouds and surveillance works both ways.

the russian hackers have already got hundreds of millions with gameover zeus.

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all money is virtual these days and we have the same shitty power structures of before, if not worse.

back in the day before all-digital money there was a hefty cash economy that occurred outside of state surveillance.

now square is asking to send me their new card reader so i can take trackable, taxable payments, of which they get a free every time.

bitcoin maybe offers some alternatives right now, but as soon as it becomes a real threat the lawyers will find a way to preserve the power of their bosses and then some.

and the mafiosos are always also politicians.

just like the free internet that was going to save us all is about to become the next cable tv full of "sponsored content" and everything else throttled to death.