[_tunic_]

 

 

I liked the old one more than the new one, especially Yul Brynner has such a presence. But the new one was alright as well, and it's not a one-on-one 100% remake. Some of the elements that are copied though were a bit of a let-down, e.g. some jokes that are told don't come out very good.
Now I would like to see the "original" version, Seven Samurai. Supposedly one of the best movies ever made.

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owwwwwwwwwwwww

she dead

<3

[Severian]

Bottle Rocket. It’s still hilarious

[tw2113]

Bad Taste

[_tunic_]

 

very strange movie, I'm not sure if I liked it. It's just too weird. I did love the soundtrack or to be more specific the editing of background noise.
Might be considering to buy it on DVD/bluray for any special features.

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Originally Posted by _tunic_

very strange movie, I'm not sure if I liked it. It's just too weird. I did love the soundtrack or to be more specific the editing of background noise.
Might be considering to buy it on DVD/bluray for any special features.

great movie. i love it. it's about alcoholism really. fucking tragic. and nicolas roeg is such a good director: performance. walkabout. don't look now. this one of course. insignificance. i really want to watch bad timing, it's long overdue for me, maybe i'll watch it this weekend.

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last night i saw:

 

the banshees of inisherin

it was fucking great! very fucking funny! sad too obviously, but overall mostly funny in spite of all.

i 100% do not get rob and severian's lack of tolerance for it. did we watch the same movie?

& thanks to diesel for the comment/clarification.

anyway, it was all very "father ted" for me hahahahaaaaaa. some very recognizable "types". also brought back memories of james joyce and other irish literature.

so yeah, great writing, great acting, unusual developments, beautiful everything, will watch again.


***ETA: SPOILERINOS TO FOLLOW***

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

My wife was horrified.

I think the whole point was that Colin Ferrell's character is so FUCKING STUPID that he doesn't understand the man he thinks of as a best friend LOATHES him.

what a waste of time and money.

These are the kinds of stories that make me read very few fiction novels.

colm doesn't exactly loathe padraic. this is clearly shown twice with the cop scenes when he looks after him/defends him from the cop.

this is what makes it confusing for padraic (who is, indeed, "dull"). colm just wants silence! so he could (attempt to) be great, lmao. colm really is staring at his own mortality and dealing with "the despair". bleak shit, funny treatment.

the little donkey was tragic but not on purpose. padraic perhaps proves to be the worse asshole by the end. not as "nice" as he claimed. even the extra-dull dominic knew this.

anyway, i liked it a lot.

Originally Posted by Severian

Yeah, but, like, ideally there would be some shred of redemption — somewhere.
This movie is bleaker than fuck. It’s like misery porn masquerading as black comedy. It’s well made but fuck it I am too old to pay to be bummed the fuck out.

It’s also a metaphor for the Irish civil war, so that’s in the background. But holy hell I’ve seen literal WAR movies that are vastly more enjoyable and vastly more upsetting that still manage to be worth the time and energy.

redemption... for whom? from what? who here needs "redemption"?

the sister gets away from all that but it's not a redemption thing. she just fled. she likes to read and knows that mozart was actually from the 18th century, lol. so she's escaping dumbfuckery and the confinement of a very primitive social system and goes to be a librarian. colm who is apparently cultured (although maybe not as much as he thinks) and being studied by musicians or at least collaborating with them (there was a big irish culture revival thing in the 1920s and before, see for example yeats) wants to escape dumbfuckery too but by staying in place. dominic who is perhaps the stupidest of all escapes via death.

but yeah, this is old western ireland. it's not regular modern ireland with the euro and corporate headquarters in dublin hahaha. it's a tough place.

anyway i found it more comical than anything. almost like dougal and father hackett fighting hahahahaaaaaah. (father ted also happens in western ireland)

 

 

 

i'm not claiming to be an irish expert, but these characters and tropes have not been simply conjured out of thin air. they have a long history and they're used here to great comical/satirical effect.

[Diesel]

But... white-man-with-money-bad!

It's funny you mention Father Ted because reading the comments this* sprang to mind at the time.

*

 

[tw2113]

Tortured myself with the original Grease.

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Originally Posted by Diesel

But... white-man-with-money-bad!

i didn't get that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Originally Posted by Diesel

It's funny you mention Father Ted because reading the comments this* sprang to mind at the time.

*

 

yeah lol

 

anyway not to overstretch the comparisons but father ted was the opposite of the sister in banshees. she goes to work in a library in the mainland, he gets sent to an island as punishment (he can never escape).

in that very episode actually, he starts in dublin in a nice parish with good food and drink and "intelligent company".... and gets resent to craggy island where he's greeted by dougal:

https://youtu.be/QcBTTL9_bgI

(just the first minute and change there)

(this is not the same as when the money was "resting" in his account and he was first sent there)

(this shit makes me laugh every time and forever)

[tw2113]

No Hard Feelings


Red Sparrow

[Rob Instigator]

Fuck Banshees of Inisherin

Pointless CRAP.

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

Fuck Banshees of Inisherin

Pointless CRAP.

hahahha cmon. fuck gordon lightfoot!

that just means that you didn't like it or you don't like that others liked it and are angry about it, but it says nothing really about the fillmm.

 

[Rob Instigator]

I already wrote about the "film"

It is a beautiful, pointless, meaningless trip into horrible people and their lives. WHO CARES? Not me. Fuck em all.

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

I already wrote about the "film"

It is a beautiful, pointless, meaningless trip into horrible people and their lives. WHO CARES? Not me. Fuck em all.

i was just trying to pronounce "fillmm" like bishop brennan hahaha

https://youtu.be/3nP-cNdOqwo?t=626

anyway, re: those horribles: i care ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

for one thing i don't think they're as horrible as you make them to be. trapped yes, stupid yes, hilarious definitely.

for another thing it shows that the "nice" simple guy is sometimes secretly the worst and most evil fucking asshole when it becomes resentful.

like, for example, remember all those "nice" and "simple" and "friendly" trumpers?

[Rob Instigator]

filluhm!

[Severian]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

redemption... for whom? from what? who here needs "redemption"?

the sister gets away from all that but it's not a redemption thing. she just fled. she likes to read and knows that mozart was actually from the 18th century, lol. so she's escaping dumbfuckery and the confinement of a very primitive social system and goes to be a librarian. colm who is apparently cultured (although maybe not as much as he thinks) and being studied by musicians or at least collaborating with them (there was a big irish culture revival thing in the 1920s and before, see for example yeats) wants to escape dumbfuckery too but by staying in place. dominic who is perhaps the stupidest of all escapes via death.

but yeah, this is old western ireland. it's not regular modern ireland with the euro and corporate headquarters in dublin hahaha. it's a tough place.

anyway i found it more comical than anything. almost like dougal and father hackett fighting hahahahaaaaaah. (father ted also happens in western ireland)

For the audience. For the characters. There was nothing but sadness. Well first there was mild comedy, then it was utterly undercut by excruciating, omnipresent sadness. Which is fine and all from an artistic perspective — I’m not going to judge anyone who makes art like that — but I don’t have to enjoy it, and I did not fucking enjoy it.

I found it oppressively dreary, devoid of any hint of genuine heart. Like, sure, all-too-obvious parallels to Irish civil war abound, got it, but motherFUCK that was a sonofabitching EPICALLY bleak film.

“Let’s just linger on this dead donkey, and this man crying over the carcass of his best animal buddy, who died for absolutely no reason. And let’s just make people want to vomit with despair!”

Like I just feel that I’m at a point in my life where that kind of unrelenting bleakness-for-the-sake-of-bleakness can just go fuck itself in the dickhole with a corkscrew. I don’t need it. Certainly not from a film that pitched itself as a hilarious comedy.

No fucking thank you. Again, fuck that shit in the dick.

No offense intended.

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

filluhm!

yes! hahahhaa

Originally Posted by Severian

For the audience. For the characters. There was nothing but sadness. Well first there was mild comedy, then it was utterly undercut by excruciating, omnipresent sadness. Which is fine and all from an artistic perspective — I’m not going to judge anyone who makes art like that — but I don’t have to enjoy it, and I did not fucking enjoy it.

oh yeah for sure you don't have to like it.

the escape hatch (the "redemption") was the laughter, of course.

like, laughter at the guy sleeping with all his animals inside the house like a nativity scene or ace ventura, for example. that was very funny to me.

(because remember these are his "companions" but also shit all over the house like the sister said)

or laughter at the epically exaggerated figure of that crone.

or the bitch shopkeeper opening and reading other people's letters.

or the drunk cop passed out in his house naked.

lots of other things were very funny to me.

dominic was very funny until he wasn't. sad for sure, but not just sad. most of the time he was funny.

if you did not find those or otjer things funny then sure there is nowhere to go from there and the filluhm gets a very different interpretation.

Originally Posted by Severian

I found it oppressively dreary, devoid of any hint of genuine heart. Like, sure, all-too-obvious parallels to Irish civil war abound, got it, but motherFUCK that was a sonofabitching EPICALLY bleak film.

i don't know that "the irish civil war" was the thing it was about. it would be too on the nose. i saw it as a background for sure, as related maybe, but not as a "this is that."

i was never in the irish civil war, but i have been importuned by idiots, for example. who hasn't? i understand colm's predicament. i don't agree with his dumbfuck methods hahahahahahaaa.

but a lot of people will cut their noses to spite their faces. that shit is common in our world. it's good to see an antimetaphorical treatment of that scenario.

Originally Posted by Severian

“Let’s just linger on this dead donkey, and this man crying over the carcass of his best animal buddy, who died for absolutely no reason. And let’s just make people want to vomit with despair!”

it was not a big linger, and yeah it was fucking sad, but i did not feel nausea or despair. i was more puzzled by how the donkey had died. at first i thought it was murder (it wasn't).

the little donkey was an accident, honest to god. but the little donkey is also a metaphor for "the heart" that you saw lacking in the film. of course the heart dies in him he becomes a fucking bastard. still dumb but a bastard.

so maybe that is what killed the donkey. the donkey died of metaphors. but no actual animals were harmed, it is a fictional device.

at the same time it's hilarious that the dumb guy basically wants to live in a barn stepping on shit.

Originally Posted by Severian

Like I just feel that I’m at a point in my life where that kind of unrelenting bleakness-for-the-sake-of-bleakness can just go fuck itself in the dickhole with a corkscrew. I don’t need it. Certainly not from a film that pitched itself as a hilarious comedy.

it was hilarious! not just bleak. but yeah it cannot be hilarious to all. me for example i never liked... what was it called... peep show. i only like the bit about "the baddies" with the nazis, but generally it was too humiliating to its characters for my taste so i had no room left to laugh.

Originally Posted by Severian

No fucking thank you. Again, fuck that shit in the dick.

No offense intended.

none taken ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

we can talk about movies for sure, but we can't argue about taste

[Severian]

I liked the dumb guy. He was just a dumb normal guy trying to get by. And I don’t remember him becoming a bastard — maybe he was hardened by the donkey death but I don’t recall meanness.

Whatshisass with the fiddle and the bloody stumps for fingers, he was a bastard. A proper fucktaint of a man, driven by a desire to wreak havoc based on his own whims. He’s a sociopath at best. Like that’s literally the nicest word I can use to describe him.

I know the donkey death was an accident. I know real donkeys didn’t die. But oof, it just stung. Also I’d been taking about this movie for MONTH with my girlfriend and when we finally watched it she almost DID vomit, she was crying so hard. She was just like, “What! Why?” And I was like, “I. Don’t. Know. Fuck. This.”

I really love the director — Martin McDonagh — and all his other films are amazing, but this one just felt cruel. There were bleak moments in In Bruges, Seven Psychopaths and 3 Billboards, for sure, but for some reason this one hit me harder and left a more sour taste in my mouth.

Also, I’m not a PETA guy or anything but I really struggle with animal deaths in films. There was a similar scene in The Lobster, and I almost gave up. I paused the thing for like an hour, first to bawl, then to do a cost-benefit analysis of pushing on. I opted to see it through and I was glad I did because it was a very good film, and it had enough other stuff going on to distract me from that poor border collie lying dead in the hotel room.

The most memorable moments of Banshees, for me, are the donkey death, the bloody stumps hammering away at that goddamn fiddle, and the news that the poor sexually abused kid had committed suicide because whatshisname’s sister didn’t reciprocate his feelings, and he felt he had nothing to live for as his whole world was suffering.

Yuck.

Just not for me at this point in my life. Not for me.

[Rob Instigator]

I LOVE Peep show.

fuck the banshees of innisherrinnnnnnn

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Originally Posted by Severian

I liked the dumb guy. He was just a dumb normal guy trying to get by. And I don’t remember him becoming a bastard — maybe he was hardened by the donkey death but I don’t recall meanness.

it's funny to me how interpretations differ. here is how i read this character:

the dumb (definitely not-normal barn dweller) guy continues to press on with his approaches in spite of having received a warning the ex-friend would chop of his own fingers if he insists.

and after the warning, and after having seen the cut off finger (brutal), and after being warned repeatedly that the ex-friend will continue to chop off fingers... he presses on!

i don't know about you, but if someone doesn't want to see me anymore i just need to be told so. a self mutilation to prove that point would be absolutely final. insisting after that, what the fuck man, lol.

but no, fuck, he insists. he gets jealous, gives a fake message to some musician who has been around colm, that his father has died ("run over by a bread van" lmao) same way as the mother died. has no compunction! makes him feel powerful! then tells dominic proudly!

dominic who is an even bigger moron than him tells him that was too mean and he doesn't want to talk to him anymore. even the super-moron can see that the moron has become a bastard!

so when colm finds out about the fake news he cuts off all the other fingers. as he had warned! and as the dumb guy chose to keep ignoring. not out of stupidity but narcissism, for me.

then and only then the little donkey chokes on a finger (was he trying to eat it? lol), and so etc.

seriously, some people cannot take rejection and feel that justifies them. the dumb guy is the way bigger asshole by the end.

he also felt superior to dominic and constantly rejected him btw. dominic wants to hang out with him earlier he says no. and he says so in the conversations with the sister.

also there was no demonstrated fiddling of the boy. that was something the dumb guy said to insult the cop. might be his first aggressive lie when he stops "being nice". we know the boy said his dad would beat him up if he took his whiskey. we know the cop jerks off and gets drunk until he passes out. so we know he beats him up but we don't know if we can believe what padraic says.

this is the thing about it in general: there is ambiguity in the story, things are not black and white, and there is a lot of bad and stupid and cruel behavior, but there are no "goodies vs. baddies" in this story. there are a couple of innocents, dominic and the little donkey, but padráic is certainly not one, especially by the end, when he wants to carry on fighting in spite of all.