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I read everything everyone writes AND I did tell knox that I would keep the images to the appropriate threads (damn girl pull Ovah and post pics of hot girls) everything you wrote is valid and true but I do not see it necessarily applying to the people on this forum. this forum is words, text mostly, and intent/subtext/sarcasm/irony etc are very hard to "read" from white letters on a blue background. To extrapolate too much based on certain offensive comments/posts/images is not good either. the only mysogyny I see seems to be purely farcical.
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i didn't see that you told knox that. it needs to be everyone tho, not just you. you are the only one so far who has eventually shown any willingness to help us out on this which is appreciated.
i disagree with a few of the things you said. i don't think it's about extrapolating anything, because that would suggest it's our fault for extrapolating it the wrong way. it's clearly there. some people don't find it to be funny, no matter how ironic or farcical the poster covers themselves by claiming to be. you can be mysogynistic ironically, because what? you're aware that its offensive and you shouldn't but you still do anyway? and it's not a matter of just telling someone to lighten up. i don't buy the farce argument either, it doesn't apply most of the time. that's just saying "oh i said it but i don't mean it." then just don't say it. everyone knows what kind of game you're playing with that. you're saying "oh i know this is supposed to offend you but you can't get annoyed because i don't mean it, so i'm going to say it anyway in a non serious context so you have to let me get away with it and not get mad, cos i'm trying to irritate you". that's just boring. it's really not an issue of someone extrapolating "oh he hates women" based on the pictures that are posted. the point is we do not want to see those pictures ourselves, if they were kept in just the one thread we wouldn't have to look and it would be fine. in the same way that you guys would (presumably) get nauseated if someone started posting hardcore gay porn all over the place, or post it now just to prove me wrong. so all that has been asked is that all those gross/porn pictures be kept in the one thread, which i think is pretty reasonable. but the moment you try to be genuine here it's mandatory that someone kicks in with irreverance and does the opposite of what you've said, even if you already know they will. presumably for the sake of how predictable that is, and to prove how individual they are. which is even more boring. so i think i can assume to speak on behalf for at least 4 other people who have already stated this and probably a lot more who haven't by saying: it would be really nice and prove that you guys are willing to be courteous to the rest of us if you could just keep all the gross/porn in the one thread. as it's really nauseating for some of us to have to see it everywhere. |
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It is true. It is not fair to people checking this forum out at libraries, mom's house, friend's computers, work, school, etc.
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06.03.2010, 09:42 AM | #285 |
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I'm upset mr. #6%4*6 just completely ignored my post.
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ha ha ha ha-- i/ve never seen that sort of stuff, but seems totally plausible. |
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who the fuck would say something like that? keeping it simple? |
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06.03.2010, 10:17 AM | #288 |
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by the way rob, i mixed you up with symbol man, i was referring to him not reading one of my posts a few pages ago, but i mixed you up and thought you were him replying. so i didn't mean that when i said you were ignoring anything.
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06.03.2010, 10:19 AM | #289 |
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How come when I click on yr blog link it sez I gotta get an invite?
send one sucka! robinstigator@gmail.com or fuppets@gmail.com
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i've taken the blog down and may redo it at some point.
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i didnt, i answered in a hurry and without quoting you because 1) i was tired from answering too many posts and 2) the phone rang, and it was important however, since some kind of chainsaw outside the window woke me up early, i'll take this time to answer you in extra detail, quotes & all Quote:
who is "you guys" and what is your point and if pornography is not the problem then what is it? please clarify. Quote:
you're not an object, you're words on a screen :P sorry, smartass answer, albeit true on a level; but i feel you're either trying to put words in my mouth or looking for badness under the carpet. however, if it's a genuine question i already gave you a genuine answer: no, people are people, but objects (pictures) are objects. pictures are not people. if i paint a moustache on a picture of george bush and stab his eyes, he does not magically grow a moustache and lose his eyesight. Quote:
what is the "nasty cultural virus" that we're spreading here in spite of being good people? [edit: ok, i see below now, no worries] Quote:
i said this 2 pages back: yeah i don't find beating up women funny at all and that gif sucks. however, i do like the freewheeling nature of this place. and if that means i have to avert my eyes when i see some unpleasant shit (there is plenty), i'll avert my eyes and move on to what interests me. it's a conscious choice. i could go frequent censored and managed boards but those usually suck. the price of freedom is having to put up with shit we dislike in others-- like the presence of keep it simpleton, for example-- that shouldn't keep us from expressing our opinion on it though, so calling someone on their unpleasant shit is totally fair game, and so on & so forth. Quote:
i have already answered/addressed that. i said that there is plenty here that displeases or revolts me, personally, but i either 1) avoid it and move on, or 2)if it pisses me off enough give the culprits shit for it. and i've encouraged you to give people shit for what you find offending. i am angry that you ignored my response. no, not really, but come on, i already answered that, if you don't like my reply it's one thing but don't say ive ignored you. Quote:
[edit: ok, this is the nasty cultural virus you're talking about, i assume] yes i agree with you that those stereotypes and expectations are annoying and deleterious, but if you know who you are you don't have to be a pushover and let them affect you, and if you think you need to do battle against them-- battle! Quote:
i used to take the internet seriously too, particularly this board, but then i learned that you cannot control the internet and it's always going to veer towards the lowest common denominator [edit: which is why i warned you about the "entities"-- i know this place]. atari used to pick fights with people he didn't find worthy of his intellect and artistic vision, eventually he picked fights with everyone here. me, i realized this is never going to be mount parnassus and that there will always be a measure of shit going on, so i lowered my expectations and learned to love the bomb. sorry, obscure dr. strangelove joke. i mean i learned to love the chaos. trying to turn this place, particularly the "lower board" (aka non-sonics aka the sewer) into some sort of intellectual heaven is a futile enterprise. however, you're free to try. Quote:
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06.03.2010, 11:02 AM | #296 |
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This thread sucks. Let's go jerk off.
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^^^ you mean you haven't already?
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You do know you are twisting my whole point. You know it. And I'll just imagine it is because you're too uncomfortable with the whole debate. The last paragraph is so far from anything I've said (and I know you know it) that I refuse to even comment. It's a cheap attack/speculation (that you'll claim to be a joke) that I better just ignore it. But I still understand it, in a way. If we are to fully understand every implication of our actions we might just crumble. If you were to understand the overall consequence of the actions you engage in (because everyone does it) you wouldn't handle it. So we try and protect ourselves by not SEEING it. Kim gordon's songs are not usually my favorite. On the other hand, I've always liked the lyrics and how it'll mention all these questions about the objetification of women, gender roles and whatnot in a way that's intelligent and far from cliche. It is always amazing to me how people can filter the messages they don't wanna hear (like you've been doing to my posts), and just simply focus on the part they can deal with. I'm surprised to find out how that can go unheard tho. You also know I wasn't talking about pornography (as much as I know males are taught to simplify everything). I was inviting you to think about how we are surrounded by images of objectification of women everywhere, without a choice. To say a photo is not a person is just simplifying too much in order to justify everything. One photo is the representation of a person, the representation of a woman, and a thousand photos everywhere are the representation of how society views women in general. Otherwise such images would be rare, instead of the norm. There's nothing I can say that'll get you to fully understand what's like to grow up surrounded by these ideas/comments/images/behaviour with the underlying nightmare that that's all they want you to be, you'll always be judged/measured/treated according to them (or whatever men are taught by them that women are like). You'll either fall in the category or not. And if you don't, there'l be consequences to pay. It doesn't matter what you do or who you are, this will be assessed first. This is what the world thinks it's your self worth. The rest is an accessory. You'll become a prisioner of your own body and you can't eat, speak or age without fear. But you will argue is NOT like that. Because you know what's like to be a woman, right? Everyone does. They do because they tell us what's it like to be us. You'll say you're not responsible for that, but you are. We all are. If people are free to post what they want, we're also free to voice our opinions. I never said I am not capable of ignoring whatever I don't like, I just said I was dissapointed to see this forum's main activity be just as banal as celebrity gossip website. And then other people respectfully requested the images to be kept in certain threads. It bothers them and they're just as entitled to use this forum as anyone else. Women are being driven away and don't wanna post anymore (I've been told by a few). Of course you don't have to accept these requests. But the lack of willingness to do so or even care about what these people feel shows something more disturbing than any image anyone could post could ever be.
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i can't give you a long answer right now (you know it takes time) but i dont know where you get the notion that i don't care about your requests, but i think that dialogue requires for people to attempt to understand each other and where the other is coming from, and i fell like you're just projecting a lot onto my answer, things i have never said/ supported/ etc., like "i'm uncomfortable with the whole debate". i've answered your previous post point by point and i'm not the one who said "this thread sucks, let's go jerk off". it's fucking annoying to be mischaracterized like that. here i am trying to understand and be understood and i get this "you don't wanna talk about this" bullshit thrown in my face. that's a cheap tactic and you know better.
anyway, i get that you want a politically correct board/ society/ world, i get that some of these things hurt your feelings, and i get that you want to restrain the trash to a single thread, and i get lots more that i don't have time to clarify right now (but i will later). however, please, if you want do have a good discussion don't start by with assuming or projecting ill will ontp your discussion partner, or you'll end up arguing with the ghosts in your head instead of the person in front of you. anyway i need to go have breakfast, make some phone calls, clean my cat's crap, and set up my work table, among other things, but i'll come back to answer the prosecutor's charges at a later time. and i don't call them prosecutor's charges because "i don't wanna hear"-- i call them that because you're unfairly depicting my position on this matter to a degree that it appears purposeful. but yeah, ok, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt & presume good will on your part before i write my own answers. |
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