[keep poppin pimples]

Originally Posted by knox

i don't recommend it.
when you hear 'come here often' you normally think he's not the kind of person that can make you come often.

is the double entendre intended?

[knox]

yes.

[keep poppin pimples]

so that means i'm bad at sex.

you're right but i don't get how you knew

[knox]

Originally Posted by keep poppin pimples

so that means i'm bad at sex.

you're right but i don't get how you knew

on the other hand, what you just said is a good sign.
life's confusing.

[Trama]

Two things I'm certain of: I sexually objectify. I'm not sexist.

[knox]

Originally Posted by Trama

Two things I'm certain of: I sexually objectify. I'm not sexist.

That's not possible.
Unless you have a very different notion of what "objectifying" means than the one used in gender studies.
That's not possible (2).
Everyone's sexist, in different degrees.

tr.v. ob·jec·ti·fied, ob·jec·ti·fy·ing, ob·jec·ti·fies 1. To present or regard as an object: "Because we have objectified animals, we are able to treat them impersonally" (Barry Lopez).

To objectify is to dehumanize.

Dehumanization often ignores the target's individuality (i.e., the creative and interesting aspects of his or her personality) and prevents one from showing compassion towards stigmatized groups.

[knox]

To treat/view a living being object, deprived of individuality, personality and will, not quite equal to you but as something to exist to satisfy your needs. To objectify is pretty much the core of all sexism (and racism, slavery, classism etc.)

People often confuse objetification with sexual attraction because they are portrayed as the same thing in our culture, but that's a misconception. These things are not mutually exclusive.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

 

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by keep poppin pimples

lets be honest here. if you think a few posts on a dead forum are going to damage the cause of 'try making smallest effort to be treat women better' then people must just be looking for excuses to not

that's a ridiculous straw man argument

[keep poppin pimples]

if people think it's easy being a disc jockey how come companies who use our images in advertising can't even figure it out

 

sick mix bro

[knox]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

that's a ridiculous straw man argument

what's it called when people keep using the accusation of straw man fallacy to avoid the real discussion? that must be a term for that one.

there's also a term for that fallacy when you try to accuse the person saying something (crazy, aggressive, exaggerated, alcoholic etc.) rather than adressing the real subject of the discussion... what is it again?

or when they try to divert attention to something else instead of commenting on data and facts that have been posed.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by knox

the real subject of the discussion... what is it again?

the only thing i've been talking about since i posted in this thread is that you suck at persuading your intended audience.

i said that instead of educating people you alienate them and trying to blame them for it hides the fact that you suck at what you claim you're trying to do.

it's like a shitty musician who cries about the public's lack of good taste.

really, you're terrible at it, don't blame the people who "don't listen."

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

 

This thread..

 

[Trama]

Originally Posted by knox

That's not possible.
Unless you have a very different notion of what "objectifying" means than the one used in gender studies.
That's not possible (2).
Everyone's sexist, in different degrees.

Are you honestly saying that you've never objectified people you were sexually attracted to? And no there's no scale, I'm not sexist.

[knox]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

the only thing i've been talking about since i posted in this thread is that you suck at persuading your intended audience.

i said that instead of educating people you alienate them and trying to blame them for it hides the fact that you suck at what you claim you're trying to do.

it's like a shitty musician who cries about the public's lack of good taste.

really, you're terrible at it, don't blame the people who "don't listen."

You think i'm some sort of lecturer who's supposed to play a mother theresa before assholes attacking me? seriously, you've already been there and i already said this to you: i don't give a shit what you think, you're a sexist, offensive jerk because you choose to, because you keep making excuses about it, not because some woman isn't capable of "educating" you correctly.

once again: i have no obligation to be nice to people who aren't nice to me.

This whole "be a nice girl hoping that someday we might want to cooperate" doesn't work anymore, try something new.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by knox

you think i'm some sort of lecturer who's supposed to play a mother theresa before assholes attacking me? seriously, you've already been there and i already said this to you: i don't give a shit what you think, you're a sexist, offensive jerk because you choose to, because you keep making excuses about it, not because women aren't capable of "educating" you correctly.

i have been educated and am still being educated by a lot of great women, so i would never conflate "women" with your own terrible incompetence--which you insist on covering up under the mantle of proclaimed feminism. please, you're not a category of people, you're a single individual dolt.

[knox]

Originally Posted by Trama

Are you honestly saying that you've never objectified people you were sexually attracted to? And no there's no scale, I'm not sexist.

Of course I'm not saying that, it's hard to say where it begins and where it ends. But I wasn't brought up to divide a man into pieces and parts, I wasn't taught to view them as objects for my pleasure, I didn't grow up seeing objectified images of men in every corner of the city. I wasn't taught that it's ok to think of them as less than human, but to view them as a whole, human being. Personally, I can't even be attracted to someone I don't know based on their looks. I've been told that most men find that almost impossible to believe, and I can understand why.

Women are exposed to very different messages in that sense.

On the other hand, I was taught to view the female body in an cruel, analytical way and objectify every bit of it, even in myself.

[knox]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

i have been educated and am still being educated by a lot of great women, so i would never conflate "women" with your own terrible incompetence--which you insist on covering up under the mantle of proclaimed feminism. please, you're not a category of people, you're a single individual dolt.

i said woman not women.
it's kind of annoying when people have to misinterpret what you say in order to keep being a pain in the ass.
i don't represent feminism as a whole.
therefore i speak about it whichever way I WANT and you have no say about it.
you keep talking about HOW i'm saying something in order to avoid WHAT I'm saying - isn't there a fallacy for that too?
oh well, i must be doing something that really bothers you because you just won't leave me alone.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by knox

i said woman not women.
it's kind of annoying when people have to misinterpret what you say in order to keep being a pain in the ass.
i don't represent feminism as a whole.
therefore i speak about it whichever way I WANT and you have no say about it.
you keep talking about HOW i'm saying something in order to avoid WHAT I'm saying - isn't there a fallacy for that too?
oh well, i must be doing something that really bothers you because you just won't leave me alone.

i quoted verbatim your mother theresa rant, there you said "women", and have edited after the fact. amazing the lengths you will go to cover up your bullshit. but eh, that's what drunks do! deny and hide.

alright, i take no further pleasure in this exchange, which has become a sad spectacle of lunacy, so you can declare yourself victorious while i go elsewhere. good luck recruiting converts.

[knox]

i edited because english is not my native language and sometimes i make mistakes duh