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Originally Posted by evollove

Seriously, though: this was a bad day for good things.

seriously though: this is proof that everybody fucks up. and i forgive your momentary stupity. seriously. i consider it over. i won’t come back to haunt you with it 30 years hence. please go on with your life. or “go in peace” as they say in the mass.

[evollove]

I'm over it...........NOW.

Actually, the only thing that bothers me is the "self-righteous" charge. I'm not sure where that came from.

Anyway, hardly. I call bullshit on a lot of the men who are supposedly aghast at bad behavior. I've actually been doing some self-reflection while I think a lot of my brothers have been pointing fingers.

[tesla69]

Originally Posted by evollove

Kirsten Gillibrand comes out moments after the story breaks to say Al Franken's behavior is "deeply disturbing" and that she believes accuser. .

Its Hollyweird, why expect anything else?

I want to see the MSM talk about Creepy Joe Biden. He's fucking shameless.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by evollove

I'm over it...........NOW.

Actually, the only thing that bothers me is the "self-righteous" charge. I'm not sure where that came from.

Anyway, hardly. I call bullshit on a lot of the men who are supposedly aghast at bad behavior. I've actually been doing some self-reflection while I think a lot of my brothers have been pointing fingers.

i consider self-righteous the notions that these transgressions are perpetually unforgiveable, and that only men commit them. there are degrees of bad, and there is always the possibility of redemption, or else we should all kill ourselves now.

the reason we don’t hear a lot about the abuse dished out by women is that if a man says something about it he gets laughed at or told that women get it worse. so you never hear about it and don’t think it happens. some of that is linked to certain notions of masculinity. some of that is outlined in the paper i linked you.

and sure the squeaky wheel gets the grease but just because we’re having a popular moment about “the menzes” it doesn’t mean there is an evil gender and a saintly gender.

abuse is abuse. and it’s pervasive. we’re a toxic species. all genders.

here, read this:

https://thoughtcatalog.com/lorenzo-j...exual-assault/

yes yes, i know that thought catalog is supercorny garbage (it really is). still. check it out. if it was women writing that you’d be up in arms and horrified, but it’s men so i guess you’ll feel compelled to make jokes about it and discount it as insignificant.

[evollove]

Ug. Jesus, you made your point. Some dark stuff, and I stopped after only two pages.

[ilduclo]

thass what the ignore function is for, I swear, I am unable to follow some of this stuff sometimes due to the amount of members on my ignore list.

[The Soup Nazi]

Dum dum dum duh-dum dum dum duh-dum...

Anti-LGBT politician resigns after being 'caught having sex with man in his office'

https://news.google.com/news/search/...n&gl=US&ned=us

...another one bites the dust-uh...

[gogologogolo]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42041975

This is somewhat reassuring to hear. Although there still don't seem to be any clear solutions to a nuclear North Korea.

[The Soup Nazi]

Robert Mugabe gone, Ratko Mladic sentenced to life in prison... Time for Mr. Lock-Her-Up to face the fuckin' music:

A Split From Trump Indicates That Flynn Is Moving to Cooperate With Mueller

https://news.google.com/news/story/d...6GJgpHQM?hl=en

[evollove]

I'm anxious/afraid the tax plan will pass.

[ilduclo]

Oh yeah, it's gonna pass. That's what happens when you give the reins to a bunch of a-holes

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we’ll see...

[ilduclo]

can't we be be NICE to nazis and racists for just one day?!?

we all know Hitler had some GREAT ideas!!

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/25/u...tionalist.html

[ilduclo]

 

[The Soup Nazi]

Oh, so THAT's why The Shining gives me nightmares...

Anyway, life imitates art: in an episode of House Of Cards, then-vicepresident Frank Underwood meets with representatives of a Native American tribe in the White House. The tribe's chief looks at a portrait on the wall and tells Frank, "Is Andrew Jackson going to be joining us?" Underwood's response: "No, I'm sorry... That's a terrible oversight. [Turns to his chief of staff] Doug, will you remove that?"

I'll take murderous President Underwood over Trump any day of the bloody week.

[tesla69]

Originally Posted by ilduclo

Oh yeah, it's gonna pass. That's what happens when you give the reins to a bunch of a-holes

My standard deduction doubles so I will pay less, I'm trying to figure out how that is bad for me.

They're gonna have to give back the mortgage deduction, so probably there goes my doubled standard deduction.

[The Soup Nazi]

NOW WE'RE COOKING WITH GAS! From The Washington Post:

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Flynn could deliver a knockout blow to Trump
By Jennifer Rubin December 1 at 12:08 PM

The Post reports, “Former national security adviser Michael Flynn pleaded guilty Friday to lying to the FBI. … Flynn’s admission … is an ominous sign for the White House, as court documents indicate Flynn is cooperating in the ongoing probe of possible coordination between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin to influence the 2016 election.” ABC News reports, “Michael Flynn promised ‘full cooperation to the Mueller team’ and is prepared to testify that as a candidate, Donald Trump ‘directed him to make contact with the Russians.’ ” That could be direct testimony implicating the president of campaign collusion.

Flynn’s plea marks a dangerous turn. Flynn was a White House adviser, not a campaign aide. Moreover, there is no passing him off an errand boy or bit player. “Trump developed a close rapport with Flynn on the campaign trail, where the general delivered fiery denunciations of Hillary Clinton, including leading a ‘lock her up’ chant at the Republican National Convention, and he gave Trump much-needed national security credentials,” The Post reports. “Flynn, however, had a mixed reputation among other Trump aides, who thought he gave the president questionable information and questioned some of his business dealings.”

We don’t know for certain what cooperation Flynn is providing on what topic, but surely it would be hugely helpful to special counsel Robert S. Mueller III. A series of news reports recently described potential liability stemming from Flynn’s failure to register as a foreign agent, his alleged involvement in a scheme to return to Turkey a cleric whom its president blames for a coup and promoting a nuclear power project on behalf of a client when Flynn was in the White House. To put all that aside, Mueller — not known as a pushover in plea deals — would have had to be confident that Flynn could implicate high-ups.

National security gurus with whom I spoke suggest Flynn could be of help in several areas. He might provide details of Russian influence actors — how they operated and how they contacted and connected with him. (We should remember this is still a counterintelligence investigation.) Flynn’s help could be related to former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, who has already been indicted for financial crimes relating to his connection with Russian players. Alternatively, Flynn’s help might be related to his dealings with President Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, either with regard to alleged efforts to set up a “back channel” or with regard to Kushner’s own financial dealings with Russians. And, of most concern to Trump, Flynn could provide evidence relating to interference with the Russia probe, including Trump’s efforts to get then-FBI Director James B. Comey to lay off Flynn. The ABC News report, if accurate, suggests it is the latter, with fatal consequences for the Trump presidency.

Trump’s defenders will argue that this still does not touch on the underlying issue of collusion with Russia. That’s true but misses the point. If there was collusion, Flynn almost certainly would have known about it. He was both Trump’s closet foreign policy adviser and a pro-Russia operator who traveled to Russia to give a lavishly compensated speech and appeared on RT, Russia’s propaganda network, which he asserted was no different than any American news outlet. (RT has since be required to register as a foreign agent.) Trump can claim all he wants that the Russia investigation is a hoax, but if Flynn provides direct evidence implicating Trump, the president’s days in office are numbered.

Jennifer Rubin writes the Right Turn blog for The Post, offering reported opinion from a conservative perspective.

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[evollove]

Yeah, but tax bill is gonna pass. So...

[The Soup Nazi]

Just read there's a song called "Lock Him Up" on Neil Young's new album, The Visitor, which was released today. Brilliant timing!

[ilduclo]

Mulvaney received about $475,000 in contributions from the financial, insurance, and real estate industries during his 2016 congressional campaign, including $9,200 from JPMorgan Chase, which was fined $4.6 million by the CFPB for failing to provide consumers with information about checking account denials; $6,000 from Wells Fargo, which was fined $100 million by the CFPB for the "widespread illegal practice of secretly opening unauthorized deposit and credit card accounts"; $8,000 from Citigroup, which was fined $8 million by the CFPB for "illegal debt sales and debt collection practices"; $7,500 from SunTrust Bank, which was fined $40 million by the CFPB to compensate Americans whose homes were foreclosed; and $9,250 from Bank of America, which was ordered by the CFPB to pay $727 million in relief to customers "harmed by practices related to credit card add-on products."