[keep poppin pimples]

Originally Posted by louder

someone is a bit preachy.

yup. the fellow in yr avatar. one of the preachiest rappers around

[knox]

Originally Posted by keep poppin pimples

my female dog doesn't want to drink water unless mike goes to get some first. because then she gets to push him out of the way and drink all of it. bitch.

if males are more aggressive in every species how come my bitch is so bloodthirsty and damn rude

I had two cats, they were brother and sister.
They used to fuck and had babies.
I wonder if Suchfriends thinks that's ok for humans to do.
Anyway, he was very friendly and always scared.
She was the only one who'd ever bring home a dead bird or torture a lizard for hours before finally killing it.

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by knox

The truth that has been pretty much debunked by pretty much everything that we know today about gender roles.
That convenient truth that can only be claimed by ignoring all facts.

You don't want to reason, because if you did, you wouldn't ignore facts.
If you call this an attempt of discussion, this would be a truly intelectually dishonest one from your part.

I'm just gonna guess you haven't seen the videos you said you would because there is no hope.

Maybe you should run into the woods, beat your chest, or smash a can of beer on your forehad and just call it the day.

I don't drink.

gender roles are societal. gender itself is not. It exists. there are innate differences between males and females of any species that has sexual differentiation. (I cannot speak for asexual organisms), and these are both physical, mental, emotional, and metaphysical.

what do you imagine in your mind's eye when I say "beautiful woman?" It is not what I imagine in my mind's eye.

[Rob Instigator]

the reason the bible gives for the creation of woman is to prevent adam from fucking the animals. dang

[knox]

I still don't think you're getting it or you're just playing dumb.
If you're not going to watch the video and still going to come here and sound like a 12 year old I ask you, from the bottom of my heart, to just fucking stop trying. You don't need to continue pretending that you give a shit.

[knox]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

the reason the bible gives for the creation of woman is to prevent adam from fucking the animals. dang

well, that didn't fucking work, did it?
and fuck knows what you meant with this.
i'm scared to even think about it.

[keep poppin pimples]

Originally Posted by knox

Maybe you should run into the woods, beat your chest, or smash a can of beer on your forehad and just call it the day.

you know we all do this when you aren't looking? i think you should try it out you'll probably like it.

[Rob Instigator]

again, you presume too much.

I work, commute 1 1/2 hours each way to work, and then have gone home to take care of my currently sick wife. I go to sleep at 9:30 to be awake at 5 to get ready for work. excuse me for not watching the video yet. I told you I will, and I will let you know when I have.

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by knox

well, that didn't fucking work, did it?
and fuck knows what you meant with this.
i'm scared to even think about it.

I meant that ancient man sure had a hell of an imagination!

[knox]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

again, you presume too much.

I work, commute 1 1/2 hours each way to work, and then have gone home to take care of my currently sick wife. I go to sleep at 9:30 to be awake at 5 to get ready for work. excuse me for not watching the video yet. I told you I will, and I will let you know when I have.

That's fine.
But if you haven't done it you have nothing to add to this conversation, do you? It can't go anywhere.
Yet you have the time and interest to come here to demonstrate how you pick and choose your 'truths'.

[knox]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

I meant that ancient man sure had a hell of an imagination!

I didn't find the story that entertaining.

[Rob Instigator]

who doesn't pick and choose their "truths?' Truth is an idea. It is designated by a consensus. It changes over time. women in the western world havea very different truth to women from 200 years ago, and a very different truth from women in highly repressive societies like India, or China. truth is malleable.

Let's work on facts.

[floatingslowly]

Sadly, I'll have to admit to not having a moment to watch the video either. I will do so, this evening, while rubbing my wife's feet.

[knox]

Originally Posted by floatingslowly

Sadly, I'll have to admit to not having a moment to watch the video either. I will do so, this evening, while rubbing my wife's feet.

But you don't even have to.

[knox]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

who doesn't pick and choose their "truths?' Truth is an idea. It is designated by a consensus. It changes over time. women in the western world havea very different truth to women from 200 years ago, and a very different truth from women in highly repressive societies like India, or China. truth is malleable.

Let's work on facts.

Care to describe your interpretation of the word "fact"? It should be amusing.

[Rob Instigator]

Watched the video knox. Paid attentione and thought deeply about the ideas expounded within. I share most of her viewpoints and already actively live my life as best I can along the principles the speaker describes. There is a difference however, between sexual objectification and sexual attraction. One can control the former but one cannot control the latter. I personally find Indian features beautiful and intelligence even more so. This is why I do not feel my original post about the many studious and beautiful Indian and Pakistani women at the Library to be objectification. I still do not. Sexual attraction happens whether objectification exists or not and is as big a part of being human as anything else.
You are free to find my words offensive but to expect me not to defend myself is a bit much, no?
Like I said before, fight the good fight. Confronting me about my post is a waste of your energy. I am actually your compatriot in this fight. And so is sychfriends as well.

[keep poppin pimples]

i think everybody could understand men better if they watched the schoolroom scene in the wicker man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pa8aP6WwI8

[Glice]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

OK.

what is patronizing about being attracted to intelligence?

Imagine being arbitrarily designated as an inescapably objectified category; imagine that even your intelligence can't escape that objectification. "Hey, I don't just treat bitches as meat for their asses - I do it for their minds too".

[Glice]

Originally Posted by knox

I'm tired of debating this neoliberal idea of "freedom of speech" that overrides that idea of "freedom of dignity". It's wrong. Freedom of speech is not freedom to be an asshole and get away with it.

Tenfold this.

[Glice]

Ok, generally ugly thread, knox is right and this is pretty much why a lot of good posters fled. Even the people with worrying levels of internet masochism (myself).

I've been dwelling on this idea lately that one of the perpetual problems is this idea that 'the problem' exists in 'someone else'. It's like the 'racism is white skinheads kicking people's heads in'. That's a part of it, but only ever part. Many sorts of people - mostly people that aren't identified the same way as me - face constant harassment, psychological abuse and general dehumanisation. Not everyone chooses to identify with that - some of them because it's easier to live without constant self-assertions of negativity, some because they genuinely don't feel it, some because they've thickened their skin - but the most of them falling under the constant, discrete and unchallenged yoke of repetition. If you do not identify with the people saying they're having a shit time, shut the fuck up rather than telling them they're wrong.

It's the internet, and most folk are likely to ignore this. Sadly, the score with this forum is that I talk to the people who were listening elsewhere (or they disappeared), and the rest of you are fucking animals. I'm lucky, in that I'm one of the privileged ones - white and cis-male. I'm from a country with masses of problems, but I recognise it could be worse. The extent of that 'worse' is largely foreclosed to me, partly by things like the media, partly from personal and discrete deliberate ignorance(s) I may be unaware of. But... generally speaking, a lot of the shit being talked here is not helpful, and while you think you're not part of the problem you are. I am too. I'm struggling with it, rather than patronising the one person here who can be fucked to continue tussling with you moronic twats.

Knox is fucking awesome.