Classic Albums #6: Siamese Dream by Smashing Pumpkins - Page 2

Alex's Trip · 07.02.2007, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jon boy

its certainly no classic.

Wanna give us some reasons?

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Originally Posted by Bicorn Halfelven

Peices Iscariot is almost as good. It contains "Starla", my favorite Pumpkins moment (the second being "Drown" from the Singles soundtrack), as well as some of my other SP faves.

I really like Pisces Iscariot a lot too. More than Mellon Collie actually.

Siamese Dream>Gish/Pisces>Mellon Collie>Adore (I really want to get into that album, and it has grown on me, but not enough).

I don't have the Machina albums.

Sonic Youth 37 · 07.02.2007, 12:09 PM

Noone's mentioned "Disarm", that is a great song. Best pumpkins acoustic. My favorite song by them has got to be "Real Love" off Machina II, though

gmku · 07.02.2007, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jon boy

its certainly no classic.

It certainly is.

Silent Dan Speaks · 07.02.2007, 12:46 PM

Mellon Collie may be my favorite, but Siamese Dream is right behind it.

Out of the many great songs, I think Silverfuck is my favorite.

I listened to the whole cd last night, so waking up and finding this topic has made me pretty happy.

gmku · 07.02.2007, 12:48 PM

Yeah, Silverfuck is great.

Any time of day or night, somebody somewhere is listening to Siamese Dream.

Glice · 07.02.2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jon boy

its certainly no classic.

It is quite long though. Which is a bit like being a classic. Y'know, the old equation of Long = Good. Like Trout Mask Replica. Goes on for ages that does. Load of bloody old racket if you ask me, but there you go. Not like in my day, I tell you. You could hear the words in my d...[etc].

Savage Clone · 07.02.2007, 01:23 PM

Can we please have an age limit of at least 20 years on these "classic" releases?
Smashing Pumpkins may typify a certain period, but I'm not ever going to call this album "classic," because no matter what, it still has Mr. Annoying Shrill As Fuck Whiner Boy's voice all over it.
I saw them around this time, and they were God-Fucking-Awful.

jon boy · 07.02.2007, 01:24 PM

reasons why siamese dream is bad, hhmm well its by the smashing pumpkins for one. infact thats the only reason there need be but also because its quite self indulgent, overproduced and generally a billy corgan ego trip.

scott v · 07.02.2007, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone

Can we please have an age limit of at least 20 years on these "classic" releases?
Smashing Pumpkins may typify a certain period, but I'm not ever going to call this album "classic," because no matter what, it still has Mr. Annoying Shrill As Fuck Whiner Boy's voice all over it.
I saw them around this time, and they were God-Fucking-Awful.

agreed, then he cut all his hair so we could call him "Billy the Bad-Voice, Bald-AssHole", well mr. ego couldn't take it when Pavement jokingly dissed his band and then as a response he decided to in turn openly diss a whole slew of indie bands (like SY, whom he called "indier-than-thou" but ironically at the same time actually influenced him, sadly...) that had little bearing on their projectary as the alterna-(s)hit band of the mid 90's.

scott v · 07.02.2007, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jon boy

reasons why siamese dream is bad, hhmm well its by the smashing pumpkins for one. infact thats the only reason there need be but also because its quite self indulgent, overproduced and generally a billy corgan ego trip.

Good Reasons I Think!!!

I remember seeing him on CNN (i think) a couple of years ago promoting his book of "poetry" (HAHAH!) in his bald head and what appeared to be a robe he was wearing and that voice... he should be the spokesman for Oscar Myer Weiners.

Everyneurotic · 07.02.2007, 03:36 PM

interesting, people actually don't like the smashing pumpkins because of billy corgan, not because of the music and it's quality.

anyhoo, i like it quite a lot. but the pumpkins are songs band, the proof is in that some of their best songs are b-sides.

Savage Clone · 07.02.2007, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Everyneurotic

interesting, people actually don't like the smashing pumpkins because of billy corgan, not because of the music and it's quality.

anyhoo, i like it quite a lot. but the pumpkins are songs band, the proof is in that some of their best songs are b-sides.

I have a problem with the music, and especially the vocals. I was talking about his actual voice, not the person from whom The Voice emanates. He has a supremely annoying voice.
Though, now that you mention it, his stage persona at the show I saw in the early 90s was pretty insufferable.

Everyneurotic · 07.02.2007, 03:53 PM

sorry i skipped you, drone.

your comment about the voice is totally valid, that's the same reason i don't like björk, that and that she's trying to be a sugarcoated yoko ono.

also, you're kinda right about the 20 year rule, these classic album threads are going down to shit when people start posting their personal favorite albums as classics.

Torn Curtain · 07.02.2007, 03:55 PM

Billy can often sing completely off pitch live, but on the records I really like his voice actually.

el duderino · 07.02.2007, 04:27 PM

soma! Its all about Soma!

Geek USA!

Everyneurotic · 07.02.2007, 04:37 PM

quiet

Torn Curtain · 07.02.2007, 05:34 PM

Hummer and Mayonaise

Torn Curtain · 07.02.2007, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex's Trip

Siamese Dream>Gish/Pisces>Mellon Collie>Adore

My ranking would be Adore>Siamese dream>Pisces/Gish>Mellon collie>Machina

atsonicpark · 07.02.2007, 09:42 PM

i think adore is their best, since it actually seems SOMEWHAT original and it doesn't really try to "Rock" like this one does. it annoys me. adore didn't annoy me. it wasn't as over-the-top. and i think to look at adore through a magnifying glass, it seems kind of boring, but it maintains a consistent and thought-out mood throughout. great album, honestly. siamese dream is probably second best, though. couldn't rate a third best, definitely not mellon collie, because it's .. terrible and way too long. jesus.

on that note, siamese has some stuff i really like. anyone else LOVE "hummer"? that's a fucking jam. the loud guitar "rock" stuff may be embarassing at times, but geek usa cherub rock silverfuck and hummer are GREAT..

actually, i take that back.. the best part of the album is that little feedback squeal in mayonaise.

but yeah. i dunno. just listened to siamese recently after not hearing it for years. surprised by how much i DIDN'T skip past. still, "shitvoice corgan" gets on my nerves and this album has some of the worst lyrics ever. but the production is good. there's like 100 guitars on every song!

...

so yeah. i dunno. good album. but classic? blah. and can we please not put up 600 classic albums a week to talk about? not only is it annoying, but these aren't classic albums at all. i think the misfits one is the only real classic we've discussed so far. oh well.

atsonicpark · 07.02.2007, 09:44 PM

hahaha, i once again replied to this before reading the second page.

and i guess i agreed with a lot of you in my post..

except for this: disarm is the most godawful song ever.

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Sonic Youth 37 invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: if there is a bright spot in the universe, the farthest point from it Posts: 9,443	Noone's mentioned "Disarm", that is a great song. Best pumpkins acoustic. My favorite song by them has got to be "Real Love" off Machina II, though __________________ "One: Where's the fife? and Two: Gimme the fife."
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07.02.2007, 12:46 PM	#24
Silent Dan Speaks the destroyed room Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 603	Mellon Collie may be my favorite, but Siamese Dream is right behind it. Out of the many great songs, I think Silverfuck is my favorite. I listened to the whole cd last night, so waking up and finding this topic has made me pretty happy.
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07.02.2007, 12:48 PM	#25
gmku invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 15,225	Yeah, Silverfuck is great. Any time of day or night, somebody somewhere is listening to Siamese Dream. __________________ Ever notice how this place just basically, well, sucks.
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Savage Clone invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,290	Can we please have an age limit of at least 20 years on these "classic" releases? Smashing Pumpkins may typify a certain period, but I'm not ever going to call this album "classic," because no matter what, it still has Mr. Annoying Shrill As Fuck Whiner Boy's voice all over it. I saw them around this time, and they were God-Fucking-Awful.
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jon boy invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: psycho battery Posts: 12,161	reasons why siamese dream is bad, hhmm well its by the smashing pumpkins for one. infact thats the only reason there need be but also because its quite self indulgent, overproduced and generally a billy corgan ego trip. __________________ Sarcasm[A] is stating the opposite of an intended meaning especially in order to sneeringly, slyly, jest or mock a person, situation or thing \|@ <------- Euphoric brain cell just moments before expiration V _ \ / _ PING <-------- moments later / \ http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljhxq...isruo1_500.gif
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Everyneurotic invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mexico Posts: 15,713	interesting, people actually don't like the smashing pumpkins because of billy corgan, not because of the music and it's quality. anyhoo, i like it quite a lot. but the pumpkins are songs band, the proof is in that some of their best songs are b-sides. __________________ Richard Clayderman found alive and still bland! Repo Man has all night! Photographic evidence of Monosodic's existance! New Kiddieriot shit after all! Never too late to share fave rex from the year before! David Keenan is a douchebag! Ron Asheton missed!
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07.02.2007, 03:53 PM	#33
Everyneurotic invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mexico Posts: 15,713	sorry i skipped you, drone. your comment about the voice is totally valid, that's the same reason i don't like björk, that and that she's trying to be a sugarcoated yoko ono. also, you're kinda right about the 20 year rule, these classic album threads are going down to shit when people start posting their personal favorite albums as classics. __________________ Richard Clayderman found alive and still bland! Repo Man has all night! Photographic evidence of Monosodic's existance! New Kiddieriot shit after all! Never too late to share fave rex from the year before! David Keenan is a douchebag! Ron Asheton missed!
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07.02.2007, 03:55 PM	#34
Torn Curtain invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: France Posts: 7,997	Billy can often sing completely off pitch live, but on the records I really like his voice actually.
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07.02.2007, 04:27 PM	#35
el duderino bad moon rising Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NZ Posts: 120	soma! Its all about Soma! Geek USA!
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07.02.2007, 04:37 PM	#36
Everyneurotic invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mexico Posts: 15,713	quiet __________________ Richard Clayderman found alive and still bland! Repo Man has all night! Photographic evidence of Monosodic's existance! New Kiddieriot shit after all! Never too late to share fave rex from the year before! David Keenan is a douchebag! Ron Asheton missed!
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07.02.2007, 05:34 PM	#37
Torn Curtain invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: France Posts: 7,997	Hummer and Mayonaise
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07.02.2007, 09:42 PM	#39
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	i think adore is their best, since it actually seems SOMEWHAT original and it doesn't really try to "Rock" like this one does. it annoys me. adore didn't annoy me. it wasn't as over-the-top. and i think to look at adore through a magnifying glass, it seems kind of boring, but it maintains a consistent and thought-out mood throughout. great album, honestly. siamese dream is probably second best, though. couldn't rate a third best, definitely not mellon collie, because it's .. terrible and way too long. jesus. on that note, siamese has some stuff i really like. anyone else LOVE "hummer"? that's a fucking jam. the loud guitar "rock" stuff may be embarassing at times, but geek usa cherub rock silverfuck and hummer are GREAT.. actually, i take that back.. the best part of the album is that little feedback squeal in mayonaise. but yeah. i dunno. just listened to siamese recently after not hearing it for years. surprised by how much i DIDN'T skip past. still, "shitvoice corgan" gets on my nerves and this album has some of the worst lyrics ever. but the production is good. there's like 100 guitars on every song! ... so yeah. i dunno. good album. but classic? blah. and can we please not put up 600 classic albums a week to talk about? not only is it annoying, but these aren't classic albums at all. i think the misfits one is the only real classic we've discussed so far. oh well. __________________
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atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	hahaha, i once again replied to this before reading the second page. and i guess i agreed with a lot of you in my post.. except for this: disarm is the most godawful song ever. __________________
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