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Brilliant, yes. The impossibility of a totalising narrative, and the necessity of a more inclusive, and vague, one.
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Also, Sting is clearly racially motivated. Otherwise he wouldn't be a cunt, innit?
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The Bible is considered to be a political book by the communists, so that's not a far-fetched idea at all.
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sad.
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racist means just one thing. thinking/believing one race inherently superior just by virtue of being of said race, or vice versa, holding someone or some people as inherently lesser just by virtue of being born a certain race.
anything else is other forms of ignorance, from jingoism, sexism, etc. since the masses only hear the lowest common denominator there are a lot of people in the USA who believe that a racist is solely and always someone who puts down african-americans, they cannot think a black man could be racist, because they have the wrong idea of what it means to be racist. and everyone is a dumb ass.
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I am a communist who happens to think that the nazis and the fascists introduced some good things to the world. Am I racist? Am I fuck.
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Nope, you would be a relativist, because you understand that total evil or total good is a very rare ideal, and not truly descriptive of the world around us.
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THEY THEY THEY THEY THEY THEY THEY You're not outside of society.
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Are we talking of Italian fascism (ie the Original one)? If so, I'm inclined to agree, up until the point that Mussolini turned into a racist arse.... ..then again, didn't Benito M arrange an invasion of Abbysinya (i.e modern day Ethiopia) BEFORE he turned into a etc etc? Hmm...I need to do my homework more often on this stuff. As an aside, I find it dead interesting how so many Italian Futurists had a prediliction towards an idealogy of Italian fascism (the re-statement of the Mezzogiorno, and so forth)...I like Marinetti's ideas in general, but can;t help but think that he was very much out of his depth when it came to politics...
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the italisn futirists did NOT have a predilection for fascism.
They were a prime INFLUENCE in the development of the idea of fascism, meaning rule by the elite. not the same thing.
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'Rule by the elite' would apply to mercantilism, feudalism, Platonism, Confucianism, Arcadianism (by many accounts) and most other systems of governance. Try again.
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I am thinking about the introduction of certain social structures that came about in Italy with the Fascists, like the pensions scheme , which didn't exist before. I abhor the ideals and the partial racism that is inherent to both the fascists and the nazis, and the consequent atrocities that happened in their wake, but I can still recognise the little good that they did for the working classes' sake. |
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sarram - It's interesting to note that Benito M was a fully blown socialst in his journalist days...also too that he aligned himself to a "Roman" idea of the "fasces" concept - very different to the Prussian "Blut und Boden" ideals of the post-WWI German nationalists. Also too, forget not that the English political class at that time was also very national, racist, and anti-Semitic as a whole....as a counterpoint to that, wasn't it Gladstone who was nominally Jewish?
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When I say working classes I hope that the internationalism that I atrribute to that term comes across. The term ''Working Classes'' has often a very ambiguous meaning to certain people. The working classes, that most struggling of social entities, are also capable of producing the sort of people that slavo has started a thread for, so any romanticism that is attributed to them is only that: romanticism.
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Good call - they were certainly very nationalist, but didn't invent fascism, as it were. From my (very limited) understanding of Italian politics post-World War One, the two strands became mixed up/conflated after a short period of time, which makes an interesting comparison to German nationalism/fascism. ..and of course, there was a certain parallel thing going on in England at that point in time, too...
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Slavery. I find that it's more than a bit cheeky of the English to blame everyone for atrocities when they too had a hand at mass slavery and consequent mass graves. Just because it doesn't come in numbers it doesn't mean that it wasn't a numerous death toll. |
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^^^Oh aye, we fucked up a huge part of the world thanks to our actions. Thank Christ for the Jamaicams for basically booting the English out in the 1870's.
EDIT: Evidently, I can't spell "Jamaicans"....
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