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Old 05.14.2008, 12:55 PM   #21
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Old 05.14.2008, 01:05 PM   #22
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Einstein said that God is childish superstition and Jews were not the chosen people and he declined the opportunity to become the second president of Israel.

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slides...66c9a706d1809/

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080513...n_080513162159

that's cool about einstein

when atari reads that, he's gonna have what in some places is known as a coniption.
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Old 05.14.2008, 01:07 PM   #23
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I have read a lot about Einstein, and his writings and it was extremely obvious to me that his views were such, but goddamnit I have yet to stop hearing endless religious bullshit about how einstein loved god and was devout and all this fucking nonsense.
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Old 05.14.2008, 03:15 PM   #24
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All the letter says is that he rightly thought that scripture is not infallible. That's it. The rest of the story is all the work of jackals hot for a bombshell that rely on spin-doctoring. Einstein always maintained a belief in God and acute skepticism towards organized religion.

Do you really think the media can get something like this right?
Do you really think that Israel turning sixty today has nothing to do with this current news item?

But hey, believe whatever the hell you want to believe; wallow in ignorance for all I care.
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Old 05.14.2008, 03:21 PM   #25
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the DIRECT QUOTES from Einstein, the greatest athiest of the 20th century, are sourced from a letter he wrote to a philosopher which is going up for auction after being in a private collection for over 3 decades.

how is that "media spin?"

get a grip man.

fuck all the religious-led nations of the world, and this includes Israel.
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Old 05.14.2008, 03:25 PM   #26
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Oh, I didn't realize that Rob bought the fucking letter. And hey, I didn't realize it had already been sold...since it hasn't yet.

Let's examine one of the "so-called" direct quotes.

In the letter, which is to be auctioned in London on Thursday, the man whose name is today synonymous with genius wrote that "the word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses."

As for the Word of God (this is a bullshit transition by the author of the article), Einstein referred to the Bible as "a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."

The bolded part obviously should read "The Word OF God."

And the reason why Einstein, a Jew himself, writes that he doesn't believe that the Jews are "God's chosen people" is because he didn't believe the Bible is infallible.

Here are some quotes by Einstein; most of them were stated publicly and recorded:
I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."

"God is subtle but He is not malicious."

"I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice."

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."
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Old 05.14.2008, 03:27 PM   #27
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those public quotes were said to keep the hassle of his atheism away from him. einstein never wanted to argue nosense.

the word of god is the BIBLE. fuck it all.
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Old 05.14.2008, 03:33 PM   #28
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Old 05.14.2008, 03:42 PM   #29
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Old 05.14.2008, 03:48 PM   #30
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Quote: It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.

- Albert Einstein, letter to an atheist (1954), quoted in Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas & Banesh Hoffman
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Old 05.14.2008, 04:01 PM   #31
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Old 05.14.2008, 04:37 PM   #32
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Quote: It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.

- Albert Einstein, letter to an atheist (1954), quoted in Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas & Banesh Hoffman
Oh right, because a personal God is the only God in which one could admire.
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Old 05.14.2008, 04:48 PM   #33
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Old 05.14.2008, 04:52 PM   #34
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Einstein always came off as an agnostic with balls, to me. Had a sense and respect for a higher power and wasn't afraid to call it God but still cool off the whole God-Being thing.
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the problem lies when scientists use the terms of religion, because they are convenient, to describe what are most definitely not supernatural beliefs.

the word GOD means any deity, not just the judeochristian one.

the christians capitalize the word God to let you know they believ in just one.

Jah Bul On
the true name of "god"
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Old 05.14.2008, 04:57 PM   #36
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I like that, pbradley.

Rob, Einstein denounced any belief in a "personal God" in as far as it's an ecumenical biblical concept.
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that is the definition of agnostic.

which einstein certainly was.

there have been several widely published "studies" about the religiousity of the USA citizenry. They claim that 80% "believe in god."

in actuality, only around 30% believe in a judeochristian personal god, an omnipotent god involved in all aspects of daily life. just as many or more believ in an impersonal creator god, a god that created the universe, maybe 17 Billion years ago, and then set the rules and let it develop. That belief is antithetical to christianity, judaism, islam, etc. a smaller number of people stated they believed in gods of other types (hindu, wicca, deists, pantheists, etc.) which are most definitely antithetical to the beliefs of the specific christians that are pushing this "information" as proof that the USA is a purely god-fearing nation.



the single fastest growing group in the USA, as in most of western culture, is the agnostic/athiest.

Thank Mario for that.
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Old 05.14.2008, 05:34 PM   #38
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well rob, atheism is just as nonsense as theism.

they are both empirically wrong, there's no proof of existence or inexistence of gods.



also,
atheistic extremism is just as bad and idiotic as theistic extremism.


i hope you learn at least that last part.
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einstein still donated all of his work to hebrew niversity (at least what i heard)
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