Who do you think is more influential: The Beatles or The Ramones - Page 2

demonrail666 · 05.20.2009, 01:57 AM

Read an interview with almost any musician operating in the 1960s, regardless of genre, and they'll admit that they were aware of and took an interest in what the Beatles were doing. Nobody could ever make an equivalent claim for The Ramones (or I suspect any other band since).

05.20.2009, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark

Ramones influenced a bunch of shitty, simple, boring punk bands.

That's not true. They influenced a variety of bands, some of them shit, and some others not so shit.

05.20.2009, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark

They didn't really do much besides make a few really simple power-chord-driven songs with dumb lyrics. D

I'd say Beefheart.

That's the whole point of The Ramones, really. They never set themselves to do anything other than that, so what are you saying there?

atsonicpark · 05.20.2009, 02:21 AM

See the part of the sentence that said "They didn't do much." Anyone can write the same song a thousand times. On the other hand, The Beatles (arguably) invented -- and innovated. And they did it well. And they took risks doing it. They wrote similiar or same-sounding songs for an album or two and then just went right into experimenting, right into making complex masterpieces (and, again, I'm not even a big fan of their work -- but I definitely think they're extremely important). That's inspiring and influential and yada yada.

Tokolosh · 05.20.2009, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dead-Air

Seeing as the name "Ramones" comes from a pseudonym Paul McCartney used, this is a pretty silly question...

^That about answers it.

demonrail666 · 05.20.2009, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark

I think captain beefheart was the most influential to GOOD bands. Note that Safe As Milk was John Lennon's all time favorite album too. And Zoot Horn Rollo was Jimi Hendrix's favorite guitarist before he died. And all 4 Beatles were at a Beefheart concert in England. Huge fans.

Ramones influenced a bunch of shitty, simple, boring punk bands. They didn't really do much besides make a few really simple power-chord-driven songs with dumb lyrics. Don't get me wrong, I like the first few Ramones albums, and I don't want to understate their importance, but to put them in the same league as the forward-thinking, brilliant (though not a band I care for that much, admittingly) Beatles? Come on. I mean, the Beatles did some pretty insane shit at the time... Revolution # 9, backwards guitar solos, and so on. I don't know if they really INVENTED any of the techniques they used, but to put them in a pop context was pretty insane and would've been potentially (and definitely commercially) disasterous if they weren't so intelligent about it. I think they really showed bands that you could do some pretty out-there shit and break away from the simplicity of most pop music at the time. Ramones showed people that anyone could write a simple song, but .. again .. their influence was mostly to a bunch of shitty bands. Ever hear one of their tribute albums? Case in point. Shitty, talentless punk bands and Marilyn Manson were influenced. So, again, I don't know how to answer this question. Ramones may have had more influence amongst 14-year-olds in America... but as far as influence on IMPORTANT MUSICIANS (worldwide)?

I'd say Beefheart.

Please tell me you just ran out into the street and found a random cretin to write that for you.

atsonicpark · 05.20.2009, 03:30 AM

Yeah, I know it's an awful thing when people answer these questions with a serious tone and an understanding of the subjects they're talking about. Watch me change my answer to be more appealing to you now.

MAN THE FUCKIN RAMONES DUDE WHY ARE YOU EVEN ASKING THIS? THE FUCKKING RAMONE S BLED BLOOD AND SWEAT SWEAT WITH 3 POWER CHORDS OR WERE THEY BARRE CHORDS? WHO GIVES A FUCK, WITH LYRICS LIKE "TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE" THEY ROCKED!!!!!!! THEYT FUCKING ROCKED! THEY INFLUENCED MY FRIEND'S BAND DOWN THE STREET -- THE BAND IS CALLED ANAL GLUE SNIFF AND THEY HAVE THAT SONG THAT GOES "LAURAAAAAAA LAURAAAAAAAAA LAURA I DON'T WANT TO GOOOOOO LAURA I WANT TO KILLLL YOU LAURAAAAAAA." IT'S A HIT AMONGST MY 5 FRIENDS. SO DEFINITELY THE RAMONES. FUCK THE BEATLES BULLSHIT THEY DON'T ROCK.

Is that better?

demonrail666 · 05.20.2009, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark

Yeah, I know it's an awful thing when people answer these questions with a serious tone and an understanding of the subjects they're talking about. Watch me change my answer to be more appealing to you now.

MAN THE FUCKIN RAMONES DUDE WHY ARE YOU EVEN ASKING THIS? THE FUCKKING RAMONE S BLED BLOOD AND SWEAT SWEAT WITH 3 POWER CHORDS OR WERE THEY BARRE CHORDS? WHO GIVES A FUCK, WITH LYRICS LIKE "TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE" THEY ROCKED!!!!!!! THEYT FUCKING ROCKED! THEY INFLUENCED MY FRIEND'S BAND DOWN THE STREET -- THE BAND IS CALLED ANAL GLUE SNIFF AND THEY HAVE THAT SONG THAT GOES "LAURAAAAAAA LAURAAAAAAAAA LAURA I DON'T WANT TO GOOOOOO LAURA I WANT TO KILLLL YOU LAURAAAAAAA." IT'S A HIT AMONGST MY 5 FRIENDS. SO DEFINITELY THE RAMONES. FUCK THE BEATLES BULLSHIT THEY DON'T ROCK.

Is that better?

repped!

atsonicpark · 05.20.2009, 03:36 AM

"Repped!"

Now that's funny.

atsonicpark · 05.20.2009, 03:38 AM

"I don't give a shit about Beatles songs, written 100 years before I was born."

atsonicpark · 05.20.2009, 03:46 AM

I like you too. Let's kiss.

atsonicpark · 05.20.2009, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by pbradley

Obviously we all live in parallel but separate dimensions and he's curious who's more influential in our reality.

This was actually my favorite response on this thread.

atsonicpark · 05.20.2009, 03:52 AM

atsonicpark · 05.20.2009, 03:52 AM

atsonicpark · 05.20.2009, 03:52 AM

fucking on the streets.

(volume 3)

...is more influential than the ramones and the beatles combined.

05.20.2009, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark

See the part of the sentence that said "They didn't do much." Anyone can write the same song a thousand times. On the other hand, The Beatles (arguably) invented -- and innovated. And they did it well. And they took risks doing it. They wrote similiar or same-sounding songs for an album or two and then just went right into experimenting, right into making complex masterpieces (and, again, I'm not even a big fan of their work -- but I definitely think they're extremely important). That's inspiring and influential and yada yada.

Why are you implying that I'm saying The Ramones are more influential than The Beatles? Read the post againg before you feel like passing on opinions about EVERY single band out there. And what is 'they didn't do much' supposed to mean? They never professed of being the most experimental of bands to start with. Boring.

atsonicpark · 05.20.2009, 01:39 PM

I'm not implying anything.

I'm simply expanding upon my answer on this thread topic.

05.20.2009, 01:41 PM

Whatever. Expanding my arse.

atsonicpark · 05.20.2009, 01:42 PM

There's more to the truth than just facts.

05.20.2009, 01:43 PM

Like what?

View Poll Results: Ramones or Beatles
Beatles	37	90.24%
Ramones	3	7.32%
can't decide	1	2.44%
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05.20.2009, 01:57 AM	#21
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	Read an interview with almost any musician operating in the 1960s, regardless of genre, and they'll admit that they were aware of and took an interest in what the Beatles were doing. Nobody could ever make an equivalent claim for The Ramones (or I suspect any other band since).
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05.20.2009, 02:21 AM	#24
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	See the part of the sentence that said "They didn't do much." Anyone can write the same song a thousand times. On the other hand, The Beatles (arguably) invented -- and innovated. And they did it well. And they took risks doing it. They wrote similiar or same-sounding songs for an album or two and then just went right into experimenting, right into making complex masterpieces (and, again, I'm not even a big fan of their work -- but I definitely think they're extremely important). That's inspiring and influential and yada yada. __________________
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atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	Yeah, I know it's an awful thing when people answer these questions with a serious tone and an understanding of the subjects they're talking about. Watch me change my answer to be more appealing to you now. MAN THE FUCKIN RAMONES DUDE WHY ARE YOU EVEN ASKING THIS? THE FUCKKING RAMONE S BLED BLOOD AND SWEAT SWEAT WITH 3 POWER CHORDS OR WERE THEY BARRE CHORDS? WHO GIVES A FUCK, WITH LYRICS LIKE "TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE" THEY ROCKED!!!!!!! THEYT FUCKING ROCKED! THEY INFLUENCED MY FRIEND'S BAND DOWN THE STREET -- THE BAND IS CALLED ANAL GLUE SNIFF AND THEY HAVE THAT SONG THAT GOES "LAURAAAAAAA LAURAAAAAAAAA LAURA I DON'T WANT TO GOOOOOO LAURA I WANT TO KILLLL YOU LAURAAAAAAA." IT'S A HIT AMONGST MY 5 FRIENDS. SO DEFINITELY THE RAMONES. FUCK THE BEATLES BULLSHIT THEY DON'T ROCK. Is that better? __________________
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05.20.2009, 03:36 AM	#29
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	"Repped!" Now that's funny. __________________
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atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	"I don't give a shit about Beatles songs, written 100 years before I was born." __________________
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atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	I like you too. Let's kiss. __________________
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05.20.2009, 01:39 PM	#37
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	I'm not implying anything. I'm simply expanding upon my answer on this thread topic. __________________
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05.20.2009, 01:41 PM	#38
sarramkrop Posts: n/a	Whatever. Expanding my arse.
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05.20.2009, 01:42 PM	#39
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	There's more to the truth than just facts. __________________
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05.20.2009, 01:43 PM	#40
sarramkrop Posts: n/a	Like what?
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