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that's all well and dandy, except for the fact that she's a plastic doll ![]() ![]() ![]() [EDIT: .... that's made in China]
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mine is a steel medallion made in italy so there
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what if, like most of Jesus' contacts in the Bible, Mary was a poor, outcast, marginal , "working girl" a la mary magdalene, and they called her "the Virgin" because her poonanny was just exquisitely tight?
ohhhh the blasphemesss.....
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Jesus was a non-corporeal entity!
ha for real though, maybe it was a C-section?
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I don't believe in a God that speaks in metaphors. I dont believe in a God that speaks at all. I don;t believe in a god that is aware of my individual existence. I don't believe in a god that is aware of anyone's individual existence. I don't believe in a god that wishes to guide or help anyone through anything.
If, if, if there is an afterlife, if there is a god...the absolute only thing that makes sense to my (very feeble/weak/fucked...)mind is a collective conciousness. Something we all become a part of after we become plant + animal food. Something that isn't even worth the time of day to think about because it's something that goes far beyond anyone's understanding of absolutely anything. And I'm not even sayin' I believe that.... I'm a creature of procreaction. I enjoy enjaculating any chance I get...wether alone or w/ someone else. I'm a creature of excess...I enjoy booze and booty and then being left alone. Heaven, if there is a such thing, to me is looking at my previously deceased friends by my side, and saying "holy shit I'm not too drunk to realize i just witnessed Ron Asheton ask to bum a smoke from Jimi". < that was a joke, me being an idiot. I don't believe that. I'm a total. fuckin. moron. I know I will become grass fertilizer. The maggots will love me and need me and lust after my decaying body more than anyone did in this waking/breathin' life. If I gotta sould, I hope to meet it one day...but I doubt I will. They say "gotd was just ready to take him home", god's idea of taking my friend was not by throwing him outta car window. He wasn't done. I hope to see 'em again one day, to give em a big hug an soak his shirt in tears and tell em I missed em, but shit...in my mind...doesnt work like that. If i'm lucky, well become a collective concious...but...we won't be aware of it.
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Don't let a loved ones death be a reason to not believe. My momma was taken too earlly. Deathwas her release and caused me to have the convictions I do now. I think heaven is a combined conciousness. Its not about the individual. A new existance. I do think we will meet there. Ill be waiting to see u
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It sounds nice.
I'm just not so sure.
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is that a compliment? an insult? a metaphor?
lawwwwwdy.
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No doubt the girl existed but I'm not a very religious person so I think she might have been just some random girl whose life has been a bit embellished by some writers.
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W/ an exception of my "i wanna be ron asheton" bluesy bullshit"...All my music is influenced by such frustrations.
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My Dad was raised Catholic, my Mom Lutheran. I wasn't really raised as any specific denomination.
I sort of see her as a symbol of fragility, bravery, and motherhood. I see Joseph as important too. He's a symbol of faith and fatherhood. He trusted that she was a virgin. Dude could have had her stoned if he wanted. |
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but that is not true at ALL! There are dozens of gospel narratives (in the various Synaxariums, Missal prayer books, catechism texts, law books, and also the so-called lost and/or apocryphal gospels) that only the Protestant tradition hold as non-canonical, where as the Orthodox and Catholics hold them to be as divine as the so-called "Bible" The authority of the Canon is a relative term, hence the purpose of this thread, to have a nice, open discussion. I think the most common thing I see on these kinds of threads is people (even who don't believe in it) turning to the Bible for the answer, but that is not necessarily appropriate, in fact is just baggage from the Protestant movement which was not religious at all but rather economical (after all, who wanted to pay taxes to the Church anyways ![]() Further, in the New Testament itself both Jesus and the Apostles specifically mention for folks not only to follow the "bible" but to adhere to the traditions and teachings which are received from the past. And in Catholic Saint Joseph is a patron saint of many churches, hospitals, orphanages etc etc Quote:
I completely knew someone would post this, I was even meditating about it during the Mass earlier today. True, in some aspects, the Virgin Mary is indeed a symbol of male domination/oppression over women, culminating in the most offensive act of this male dominance, rape. Further the Virgin's submission to the act and the subsequent child can be interpreted by some as being symbolic of male dominance over women in culture, politics, sexuality etc etc In respects this may be true, but that is the result of certain groups who have used and exploited the imagery and symbolism of the Virgin Mary to use it towards these ends. The symbol itself is not necessarily intertwined with this concept. After all, who said the Bald Eagle has to be the symbol of American dominance over the world? And yet that is what America has used it for, to paste it across the world as an image and tangible symbol of its oppressive hold over the world... And by the way, yes, in the Church we have many hymns which directly speak of the significance of the Virgin having been the most beautiful and attractive of women (spiritually of course ![]() Quote:
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I see you paid attention well at catechism, you know your shit, and thats saying something, you know I teach that shit? In the Church we do not necessarily believe that Mary is the olden time fertility goddesses, but we do acknowledge that being a women, having the creative forces in harmony, that God could have only used a woman to create God incarnate, for that is precisely the mechanism in which God(s) always did such. The Virgin Mary in early Church symbolism was Universally the Ark of the Covenant, Our Lady Sion, who held the Tablets of Stone and was the Dwelling Place of the God-head, just as the Word of God (Jesus Christ) came incarnate of the egg in the two ovaries (tablets of stone inscribed with the DNA of God/Jesus) birthed the Savior in the Womb, which is the Ark itself. See it is a bit more theologically complicated then simply fertility goddesses, who are the source of creativity, in this instance, she is not the source of any or every or all creativity, rather ALL women are such in God(s) mechanisms, but the Virgin represents a specific junction, a time and place where the Divine interacted with the Human. You are deeper than the waves at redondo beach my brotha, I always enjoy your contributions.. Interesting enough, to flip on its head the theme of male oppression expressed above, what about the very fact that the images and veneration and prayers and hymns to and in honor of the Virgin exist? Does not that by its very nature EMPOWER women? It gives them a symbol to identify with and further cements their place in the community and the institution. My priest flipped it on me like that one day when we were talking about women being oppressed by Ethiopian Church culture and he laughed at me and said, "Who do you think lights all those candles early in the morning?" Just because the women are priests standing up wearing costumes, does not mean they are not playing integral and critical roles in the Church, albeit a bit more behind the scenes. We all play our parts in the world, even if they seem small in comparison to others. Just because the President has a better job than me, does not inherently make him better in the society then me, in fact if anything, being the Priest can backfire, the Priest gets all the static whether he did anything or not, where as the quiet women cooking, tending to the children and maintaining all the religious/cultural festivals (in my Church the women organize and orchestrate EVERY feast, celebration, baptismal luncheons, funerary wakes, Saint's days etc etc) rarely get static for anything, after all, it isn't polite to back-talk your mothers good thread y'all, much thanks for taking it rather seriously ![]()
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brother, that was simply beautiful words. much thanks and love.
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well i asked a priest once... no good. but apparently he said jesus was conceived without sex (penetration) it had nothing to do with not popping on the way out. poor woman, maybe she got to experience it later?
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you know virgin in the sense of not experiencing sex, not in the sense of keeping your hymen (which many people do by the way) or pledging to marry a virgin and getting it up the ass.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hymen
"in rare cases there are mothers with an intact hymen" And also, what knox said. Many virgins do not have intact hymens. |
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