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Laila · 05.27.2006, 10:56 PM

now that is definetley unrelated. and what's with your signature anyway?

HaydenAsche · 05.27.2006, 11:00 PM

It is a poem by a great poet. Maybe you've heard of him?

atari 2600 · 05.27.2006, 11:01 PM

read about sufism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufism

read some Rumi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumi

Sufism::Islam as Taoism::Confucianism

Mohammed himself would undoubtably be in the Sufi camp these days.

Shi'ite fundamentalists persecute & have nearly eradicated Sufis.

The primary reason given is that Sufism does not condemn homosexuality.

The real reason is they have primitive old world minds, their children are brainwashed from about age four to have allegiance only to the tribe & treat all non-tribe members as heathen animals; (they consider it a favor & their godly duty to kill them) & it's all about a battle over oil resources & money. People are used as resources, as pawns, to carry out a hateful agenda. It's an age-old formula for control: create a wedge issue & divide & conquer.

I support extermination of all Shi'ite leaders. Too bad this is politically not feasible because our double-dealing leaders have been in bed with those hatemongers for over a generation.

I know you are young & are not familiar with the history of Islam completely. It is a beautiful religion, but politics has corrupted it, just as in Christianity & Judaism.

alyasa · 05.27.2006, 11:04 PM

Please, fundementalism is fundementalism. Do you honestly believe if George Bush had been born a muslim, he would have preached love and tolerance? He would have been first in line to screw HaydenAsche(figuratively speaking).

static-harmony · 05.27.2006, 11:05 PM

I think is wrong for the protesters to get arrested. I am Pro-gay so I therefore am in full support of gay marriages and rights.

Laila · 05.27.2006, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atari 2600

Shi'ite fundamentalists persecute & have nearly eradicated Sufis.

The primary reason given is that Sufism does not condemn homosexuality.

The real reason is they have primitive old world minds, their children are brainwashed from about age four, & it's all about a battle over oil resources & money. People are used as resources, as pawns, to carry out a hateful agenda.

I support extermination of all Shi'ite leaders. Too bad this is politically not feasible because our double-dealing leaders have been in bed with those hatemongers for over a generation.

I know you are young & are not familiar with the history of Islam completely. It is a beautiful religion, but politics has corrupted it, just as in Christianity & Judaism.

well what is sufism? i don't understand. i have been muslim all my life and have never heard this term. and i am shia so i guess that you want to kill me too? sorry to hear that. so are you saying that you are more farmiliar with islam than me? Islam is a religion that promotes love and peace not hate. it pisses me off that these damn terrorist are making us look like we are crazy cause if you have ever met a muslim in america they are just normal people who don't hate anyone.

acousticrock87 · 05.27.2006, 11:08 PM

I think he specifically means the ones who do hate the Sufis, not all Shi'ites in general.

Laila · 05.27.2006, 11:12 PM

okay well i think atari edited his post a little bit before i could read all of it. right atari?

alyasa · 05.27.2006, 11:14 PM

Sufism is about the beauty of Islam

atari 2600 · 05.27.2006, 11:16 PM

Sufism is older than Islam.
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:_gGYsZO6NRIJ:reluctant-messenger.com/sufi.htm+Mohammed+sufi&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2

not all Shi'ites are bad. they are people, after all. but unfortunately, most are brainwashed beyond hope of redemption. they've lived in a society & culture (for generations upon generations) where their actions & thoughts are controlled under penalty of death.

I mean every Shi'ite cleric, regardless of rank & all governmental Shi'ite leaders throughout the world.

Laila · 05.27.2006, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by alyasa

Sufism is about the beauty of Islam

i see. are you farmiliar with this term as a muslim? cause i have never heard it before.

atari 2600 · 05.27.2006, 11:21 PM

must have been deemed too dangerous. the fact that you don't even know where your religion came from is a bad sign.

alyasa · 05.27.2006, 11:21 PM

My friends here hang out with people from Indonesia, America, Brunei, New Zealand, Australia, all over the place; they're muslim for the most part, and they had been egging me to read a book about sufism, saying it's very philosophical and it's about the beauty and love of Islam. Sad to say, I have not yet read it....

Laila · 05.27.2006, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atari 2600

must have been deemed too dangerous. the fact that you don't even know where your religion came from is a bad sign.

i know the history of my religon very well. perhaps i have heard of sufism but in another language. i'm pretty sure about that.

atari 2600 · 05.27.2006, 11:30 PM

perhaps you have, but ultimately, i'm sorry, but you don't know the history well enough.
case in point:
you just demonstrated that the term "sufism" was like greek to you. again, i realize that you are young.

i actually meant to type that i took you off my ignore list in one of the previous posts. it crossed my mind, i promise. i took you off the list a few days ago when AssBlaster was writing all that obscene stuff about you. i thought it was bullshit.

everything i'm writing is true. research it for yourself.

i think it's refreshing that you have discipline & morals. you're gonna have a better life for it.

i am surprised in a sense, however, that your parents let you have a computer alone in your room though. they must somewhat cool.

Laila · 05.27.2006, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atari 2600

i am surprised in a sense, however, that your parents let you have a computer alone in your room though. they must somewhat cool.

hahah i guess. pretty much everyone i know has a computer and most of them have them in their rooms. geez do you think that we are like all cut off from civilization? haha cute! anyways no my parent's are not cool, they are very strict but not crazy. actually, whenever i think that i'm going to get in really big trouble for something i did that was really bad, they hardley get mad. but they yell at me really bad for stupid small stuff. i dunno, they are weird.

and i must insist that i do know about my religion more than you. i said that islam teaches love and peace, and that's like all islam is about, just because i haven't heard the term sufism doesn't mean that i don't know it. I'm telling you i know like 3 languages and most muslims don't speak the same language. i know i have heard of sufism, but just as a different term. and just like people refer to muslims only as shias and sunnis, there are thousands of different muslims but you never hear about them.

TRUST ME!

atari 2600 · 05.27.2006, 11:46 PM

well, they are americanized muslims so they are more liberal. but it's just wrong that you haven't been exposed to sufism, which is the true islam.

taoism laid it all down some ten thousand years b.c.

sufism, which begat islam, is like the middle easten version of taoism that spread to the persian gulf. taoism also begat buddhism, which in turn, along with sufism begat new testament christianity through trade routes in the ancient old world.

the judaist & islam powers-that-be resisted christianity & sufism because it would cause the people to have the power & equal rights which is a threat to their control. judaism & islam are both supremely outdated philosophies of life & religions.

alyasa · 05.27.2006, 11:48 PM

That's a very interesting theory... I had never heard that Buddishm had been the forerunner of New Testament Christianity... Care to share with us a bit about this? A link perhaps?

Laila · 05.27.2006, 11:49 PM

yeah i know that all religions are just branches of one original teaching.

and i am half american. well scottish to be exact. that's why i look white. so my mom is alot more liberal than my dad, but usually people who convert to a new religion are more religious than the people who are born into it.

atari 2600 · 05.27.2006, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by alyasa

That's a very interesting theory... I had never heard that Buddishm had been the forerunner of New Testament Christianity... Care to share with us a bit about this? A link perhaps?

The apocryphal book of The Gospel of St. Thomas that has been supressed for ages is your proof. It predates the other four gospels & is not included in any Holy Bible. It's the missing link, as it were.

John the Baptist maligns Thomas as "the doubter" in his account as you may know. Maybe that's because Thomas knew too much. At any rate, philosophy, & indeed any real belief & true faith, must begin with doubt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Thomas

alas, wiki isn't philosophically up-to-date.

I know you meant an internet "link" haha. Only truth lovers like myself get the big picture. It's not exactly common knowledge, but there is scholarly material. I'll have to research it.

Marco

Polo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Polo

Marco

Polo

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05.27.2006, 11:01 PM	#23
atari 2600 invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,212	read about sufism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufism read some Rumi. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumi Sufism::Islam as Taoism::Confucianism Mohammed himself would undoubtably be in the Sufi camp these days. Shi'ite fundamentalists persecute & have nearly eradicated Sufis. The primary reason given is that Sufism does not condemn homosexuality. The real reason is they have primitive old world minds, their children are brainwashed from about age four to have allegiance only to the tribe & treat all non-tribe members as heathen animals; (they consider it a favor & their godly duty to kill them) & it's all about a battle over oil resources & money. People are used as resources, as pawns, to carry out a hateful agenda. It's an age-old formula for control: create a wedge issue & divide & conquer. I support extermination of all Shi'ite leaders. Too bad this is politically not feasible because our double-dealing leaders have been in bed with those hatemongers for over a generation. I know you are young & are not familiar with the history of Islam completely. It is a beautiful religion, but politics has corrupted it, just as in Christianity & Judaism.
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alyasa invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,791	Please, fundementalism is fundementalism. Do you honestly believe if George Bush had been born a muslim, he would have preached love and tolerance? He would have been first in line to screw HaydenAsche(figuratively speaking). __________________ Sab Kuch Tick Tock Hai
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static-harmony invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: outside L.A Posts: 5,156	I think is wrong for the protesters to get arrested. I am Pro-gay so I therefore am in full support of gay marriages and rights. __________________
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acousticrock87 invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,515	I think he specifically means the ones who do hate the Sufis, not all Shi'ites in general.
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Laila the end of the ugly Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 958	okay well i think atari edited his post a little bit before i could read all of it. right atari? __________________ PM me please Facebook- Laila Virani
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alyasa invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,791	Sufism is about the beauty of Islam __________________ Sab Kuch Tick Tock Hai
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05.27.2006, 11:16 PM	#30
atari 2600 invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,212	Sufism is older than Islam. http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:_gGYsZO6NRIJ:reluctant-messenger.com/sufi.htm+Mohammed+sufi&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2 not all Shi'ites are bad. they are people, after all. but unfortunately, most are brainwashed beyond hope of redemption. they've lived in a society & culture (for generations upon generations) where their actions & thoughts are controlled under penalty of death. I mean every Shi'ite cleric, regardless of rank & all governmental Shi'ite leaders throughout the world.
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05.27.2006, 11:21 PM	#32
atari 2600 invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,212	must have been deemed too dangerous. the fact that you don't even know where your religion came from is a bad sign.
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05.27.2006, 11:30 PM	#35
atari 2600 invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,212	perhaps you have, but ultimately, i'm sorry, but you don't know the history well enough. case in point: you just demonstrated that the term "sufism" was like greek to you. again, i realize that you are young. i actually meant to type that i took you off my ignore list in one of the previous posts. it crossed my mind, i promise. i took you off the list a few days ago when AssBlaster was writing all that obscene stuff about you. i thought it was bullshit. everything i'm writing is true. research it for yourself. i think it's refreshing that you have discipline & morals. you're gonna have a better life for it. i am surprised in a sense, however, that your parents let you have a computer alone in your room though. they must somewhat cool.
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05.27.2006, 11:46 PM	#37
atari 2600 invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,212	well, they are americanized muslims so they are more liberal. but it's just wrong that you haven't been exposed to sufism, which is the true islam. taoism laid it all down some ten thousand years b.c. sufism, which begat islam, is like the middle easten version of taoism that spread to the persian gulf. taoism also begat buddhism, which in turn, along with sufism begat new testament christianity through trade routes in the ancient old world. the judaist & islam powers-that-be resisted christianity & sufism because it would cause the people to have the power & equal rights which is a threat to their control. judaism & islam are both supremely outdated philosophies of life & religions.
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05.27.2006, 11:48 PM	#38
alyasa invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,791	That's a very interesting theory... I had never heard that Buddishm had been the forerunner of New Testament Christianity... Care to share with us a bit about this? A link perhaps? __________________ Sab Kuch Tick Tock Hai
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05.27.2006, 11:49 PM	#39
Laila the end of the ugly Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 958	yeah i know that all religions are just branches of one original teaching. and i am half american. well scottish to be exact. that's why i look white. so my mom is alot more liberal than my dad, but usually people who convert to a new religion are more religious than the people who are born into it. __________________ PM me please Facebook- Laila Virani
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