[Toilet & Bowels]

Originally Posted by evollove

Oh mellow out. It's obvious he was watching a lot of Kate Bush and R.E.M. videos and wanted to try his hand at something similar. Maybe he failed, but he could've made worse choices.

I guess if you've been watching Kate Bush and REM videos then being lame is the rational thing to do.

[A Thousand Threads]

i just watched it again.

ouch

[EVOLghost]

Holy shit....

Thurston IS dead.

[stu666]

I like it (the song)

[noisereductions]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

We collectively shit on The Eternal for about two solid years

I didn't.

[Pinkunicornnx]

wow this is terrible, I'm really disappointed

[greedrex]

What's SO wrong about this video exactly?
The song is rather weak and boring bu tthe video is not worse than say the one they made for Dirty singles or Bull in the heather IMHO.
artsy fartsy, but heh

[Genteel Death]

Yes, the video isn't the worst ever produced. It's the song that is awful.

[A Thousand Threads]

Originally Posted by Genteel Death

Yes, the video isn't the worst ever produced. It's the song that is awful.

Genteel is totally digging that new Thurston video!

[Dude McDude]

shit, fans are merciless

[Genteel Death]

Originally Posted by noisereductions

I didn't.

Me neither. I love that record.

[noisereductions]

Originally Posted by Genteel Death

Me neither. I love that record.

me too. I remember being home from work sick w/ the flu when The Eternal landed in my mailbox. I put it on and laid on the floor and listened to it several times in a row.

[Genteel Death]

Originally Posted by Dude McDude

shit, fans are merciless

People who aren't Sonic Youth fans are way more dismissive and critical. The fact I started a thread about Thurston's latest music is a clear sign that I still care in some shape or form. I just happen to think his standards have gone down a lot when it comes to writing a good song. He used to be a brilliant songwriter, and occasionally he still seems to do some great stuff when he's messing around in his more free-form ''projects'' (what a word). Chances are that he doesn't care about what me and you have to say anyway. Why should he care? He's made some great music and influenced other musicians and fans a lot more than anyone could ask for. That doesn't mean one should suddenly go deaf and become an idiot. You already have legions of Smiths fans for that sort of thing.

[noisereductions]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Genteel Death again.

[zelocia]

I have a tremendous amount of respect for Thurston as a musician and I think that Trees and Demolished Thoughts are a couple of the greatest albums that have been released in recent years. I'm kind of glad that he's decided to drop the "Chelsea Light Moving" and work under his own name. I've seen CLM (when they were under that name) 5 times. I was already bored of the songs in live performance by the 3rd time that I saw them. I've maybe listened to the LP once or twice. I'm just disappointed in the song-writing quality compared to his previous two releases. Compared to his songs with Sonic Youth, particularly with Rather Ripped and The Eternal, I think the quality varies. His guitar-playing on those albums isn't that different from the riffs that he plays on the CLM songs. I think that he may have put more effort into writing lyrics for at least some of the songs on RR and The Eternal. But the CLM songs are him trying to relive minimalist/no-wave stuff and I thought that he really grew as a song-writer with Trees and DT but now he is regressing and not trying anymore and it's just a shame. I don't care for his new song, Detonation, either.

I have no specific complaints about the song Heavenmetal in particular, I feel the same way about it as I do all of the other songs. But the video is one of the worst things I've ever seen. The production is too fancy and it's just not him. I don't think that he's trying to do something new as an artist but he's letting people (or a person) influence his activities too much. Thurston is beyond the bullshit that that video is.

[Toilet & Bowels]

Fans aren't merciless, we've made a considerable emotional investment in SY.

The Eternal wasn't shat in for two years, you're thinking of Rather Ripped, and it has been shat on for 8 years.

[noisereductions]

I also loved RR immediately. I talked at length about it at the time being sort of the inverse of The Whitey Album. T had talked in an interview about being influenced by pop like Miley Cirus or uh maybe it was like Cheetah Girls or Pussycat Dolls or soemthing that Coco was into at the time. They wanted to make SY simple pop. It' s interesting. Plus "Reena" is one of my absolute fav SY songs of 2000's.

[mil_pl]

He definitely should cooperate with Beck more.

[zelocia]

Originally Posted by noisereductions

I also loved RR immediately. I talked at length about it at the time being sort of the inverse of The Whitey Album. T had talked in an interview about being influenced by pop like Miley Cirus or uh maybe it was like Cheetah Girls or Pussycat Dolls or soemthing that Coco was into at the time. They wanted to make SY simple pop. It' s interesting. Plus "Reena" is one of my absolute fav SY songs of 2000's.

This is all my opinion but I won't completely shit on RR. Pink Steam is THE song. I recently decided it was in my top 10 favorite SY songs ever. And I like Reena, Incinerate, Jams Run Free, and Turquoise Boy. I have mixed feelings about Do You Believe In Rapture? Sleepin' Around and Lights Out are downright awful. What A Waste I also have mixed feelings about but not in the same way that I have mixed feelings about DYBIR? I am neutral about Rats, The Neutral (no pun intended), and Or. There is nothing specific that I like or dislike about any of those songs.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by noisereductions

I also loved RR immediately. I talked at length about it at the time being sort of the inverse of The Whitey Album. T had talked in an interview about being influenced by pop like Miley Cirus or uh maybe it was like Cheetah Girls or Pussycat Dolls or soemthing that Coco was into at the time. They wanted to make SY simple pop. It' s interesting. Plus "Reena" is one of my absolute fav SY songs of 2000's.

Absolutely no one wants to hear Sonic Youth do 'simple pop' if it just turns out a bunch of lame badly written songs.

Every member of Sonic Youth is creative enough to do something interesting and Lee and Kim have fulfilled that post-Sonic Youth with solo and collab work. Thurston just hangs around like he needs to retire already.