[Toilet & Bowels]

yeah, the second side of incesticide is a-mazing.
add to that sifting and paper cuts from bleach too.

[DJ Rick]

T&B...TRUST ME ON THIS ONE!

Toxic Attitude "Stupid Teenage Music" 7"

I found this record in quantity for about a dollar each. Gave 'em all away as gifts except for the personal copy I kept. This is primo braincell-devastatin' high-school thrash. It tries to be political here and there, but fails miserably. It's so bad that it's hilarious and awesome.

All the songs can be heard here...

http://www.punkrecords.org/?p=274

"Drank to Much" [sic] is the most inept, but they're all pinnacles of poopguitar for sure....right up there with "UFO Dictator" by Tampax.

My fave parts are where the singer (later of Boom & the Legion of Doom) stomped the footswitch to drench his vocals in reverb. It boosts the vocals up so much that there's a 10dB loss on all the band's instruments. This is best experienced on "War Crimes."

The Circle Jerks rewrite is also awesome. The bassist seems to be playing the wrong song.

Enjoy!

[Everyneurotic]

Originally Posted by Savage Clone

No Trend uses horns though. Boo.

not early on.

[DJ Rick]

No Trend's first couple years are philosophically untouchable.

[uhler]

Originally Posted by jonathan

Roach Motel.

i hate the sunshine state

[Everyneurotic]

yessir, i was thinking the middle section of "teen love" is probably what t&b is looking for.

[Toilet & Bowels]

thanks, toxic attitude is fantastic, credit cards is my favourite track

[finding nobody]

Originally Posted by hat and beard

I think if Nirvana had wanted to they could have been the world's greatest slop-rock band. Beeswax, Mexican Seafood and Hairspray Queen on Incesticide are some of the sloppiest slops that ever did slop.

This man speaks the truth

[DJ Rick]

Truly the sloppiest hardcore I know is by a band called Psycho Sin. I got an LP called "Forward to the Caves" which was so inept, it was hard to figure whether it was all on purpose or whether they really were that unmusical. The charisma of the vocals made for good comedy, though. They rewrote "My Country Tis of Thee" into an anti-patriotic song that descends into blur. It's all trying to approximate grindcore circa 1988 (esp. Sore Throat), but it's total hackwork.

My friend Rob says he has the Psycho Sin 7" called "You Axed for It" and that it's far more ridiculous than this LP, though. I gotta hear that someday.

I'd post it here, but the only person that's ever threatened me for putting up an AFS playlist with their music in it was a member of Psycho Sin. He said that the band was back together...but that was about 2-3 years ago, and I've not heard a peep since....other than this notice that their complete discography's on a CD now....
http://speedstaterecords.com/main.htm

Also, T&B...If you have the same taste for ineptitude as I do sometimes, check this list out...

http://www.shit-fi.com/shitlist.html

[uhler]

gauze is some great sloppy hardcore. download the "21 great polish punk classics" some great bands are on it and they are very sloppy.

 

[jonathan]

Deep Wound is sooo far from sloppy.

[uhler]

Originally Posted by jonathan

Deep Wound is sooo far from sloppy.

they sound sloppy but in a tight way. if that makes any sense.

[Cantankerous]

discharge were a bit sloppy. don't know if they're hardcore, per se but they've got the basic template for being so, despite being from england and having the studded jackets and all.

[uhler]

Originally Posted by Cantankerous

discharge were a bit sloppy. don't know if they're hardcore, per se but they've got the basic template for being so, despite being from england and having the studded jackets and all.

discharge were the kings of english hardcore. aside from minor threat they're the most copied hardcore band worldwide.

[Cantankerous]

Originally Posted by uhler

discharge were the kings of english hardcore. aside from minor threat they're the most copied hardcore band worldwide.

i don't typically think of hardcore bands being from england, i always thought of it as more of a stateside thing.

[uhler]

Originally Posted by Cantankerous

i don't typically think of hardcore bands being from england, i always thought of it as more of a stateside thing.

yeah most from england sucked. i don't think discharge was so much influenced by the american hardcore scene, i think it was the other way around.

[DJ Rick]

Originally Posted by uhler

yeah most from england sucked. i don't think discharge was so much influenced by the american hardcore scene, i think it was the other way around.

Everyone's always making it seem like music is forever a competition between the US and UK. Hardcore was happening throughout the world at the same time even in its earliest stages. No one can say for sure whether the first HC record was from Washington, DC (Bad Brains), Los Angeles (the Middle Class), or Japan (the SS (sloppy for sure!)).

Discharge were kicking around about as early as any of these bands, and they had so much Englishness to them that they surely were not much influenced by US HC. And most US HC bands were not much influenced by Discharge until much later. So much of the ultrafast HC was homespun Americana, and later Canadiana when the Neos got into the game (followed by the Sons of Ishmael into the mid-80s). J Mascis would be quoted as saying Discharge were his favorite band, but Deep Wound really do sound like so much other Massachusetts HC, but just faster than anyone before them or their peers other than Siege. You can hear even a little bit of early Dischord in them.

Where Discharge's influence could really be seen was in Europe (and Scandinavia in particular) and Japan. Rattus and Terveet Kadet were active in Finland before 1980, but they didn't really become great or prolific until after Discharge toured through their towns and touced their music. After that tour, the "kang" style of hardcore and generally your "d-beat" predecessors practically became the most common style of DIY music in Finland. I've heard people who were young then say that every high school in Sweden had at least three bands of teenage boys who played this style of HC. That would be like the explosion of garage-rock in the USA circa 1964-1966...every high school in every town had bands then.

In the US, so much of punk identity was keeping distance from metal, but in the UK and especially Japan, fans of loud fast rock music didn't have these hangups. Hence bands like Discharge and G.I.S.M. In the US, it was novelty in 1985 for D.R.I. to embrace metal chops. By then, Discharge had descended into a total joke, so American punks were by and large never ready to embrace Discharge until the greatness of their early records was remembered and continually praised in zines.

[uhler]

Originally Posted by DJ Rick

Everyone's always making it seem like music is forever a competition between the US and UK. Hardcore was happening throughout the world at the same time even in its earliest stages. No one can say for sure whether the first HC record was from Washington, DC (Bad Brains), Los Angeles (the Middle Class), or Japan (the SS (sloppy for sure!)).

Discharge were kicking around about as early as any of these bands, and they had so much Englishness to them that they surely were not much influenced by US HC. And most US HC bands were not much influenced by Discharge until much later. So much of the ultrafast HC was homespun Americana, and later Canadiana when the Neos got into the game (followed by the Sons of Ishmael into the mid-80s). J Mascis would be quoted as saying Discharge were his favorite band, but Deep Wound really do sound like so much other Massachusetts HC, but just faster than anyone before them or their peers other than Siege. You can hear even a little bit of early Dischord in them.

Where Discharge's influence could really be seen was in Europe (and Scandinavia in particular) and Japan. Rattus and Terveet Kadet were active in Finland before 1980, but they didn't really become great or prolific until after Discharge toured through their towns and touced their music. After that tour, the "kang" style of hardcore and generally your "d-beat" predecessors practically became the most common style of DIY music in Finland. I've heard people who were young then say that every high school in Sweden had at least three bands of teenage boys who played this style of HC. That would be like the explosion of garage-rock in the USA circa 1964-1966...every high school in every town had bands then.

In the US, so much of punk identity was keeping distance from metal, but in the UK and especially Japan, fans of loud fast rock music didn't have these hangups. Hence bands like Discharge and G.I.S.M. In the US, it was novelty in 1985 for D.R.I. to embrace metal chops. By then, Discharge had descended into a total joke, so American punks were by and large never ready to embrace Discharge until the greatness of their early records was remembered and continually praised in zines.

i ment almost exactly what you said, just in less words. it seemed a lot of the younger american hardcore bands formed after 1982 were influenced by discharge as much as black flag or bad brains.

[uhler]

speaking of deep wound and discharge. you can here the singer of deep wound say at the end of their song "adult" (on their demo) "wow that's sounds pretty discharge to me!".

[DJ Rick]

Originally Posted by uhler

i ment almost exactly what you said, just in less words. it seemed a lot of the younger american hardcore bands formed after 1982 were influenced by discharge as much as black flag or bad brains.

If I woulda specified a year as to when Discharge would become a more prominent influence on American HC bands, I'd have said it was much later than 1982. Most of these bands were very young and not in close proximity of the kinda record store that would stock British import vinyl, so their influences were the bands that they saw on tour in their nearby Vets Memorial Halls and Elks Lodges. That would point to Black Flag, Bad Brains, M.D.C., D.O.A., D.R.I., the Big Boys, and other tireless bands that toured like crazy, playing anywhere and everywhere...even in the boonies.

The bands that had some Discharge influence in the early 80s were the few that were in-the-know about Discharge, and the largest grouping of them was in Massachusetts, where bands like Siege and Psycho were among the first to more closely resemble their sound. It is chronicled that there was a coterie of tape-traders in Boston and Western Mass who also traded with UK traders, and this is probably thee #1 reason why the connection existed there like nowhere else. Other bands that had Discharge influence early on were very isolated....such as Septic Death coming outta Boise, Idaho. Several other bands that "kinda sound like Discharge" early on were perhaps because they were impressed by an American band who had copped a Discharge influence, or it was purely coincidental, which is understandable given that when HC became a speed trial for who could play fastest, several bands just naturally started to sound more similar to each other.

Aside from NYC and British punk circa 1977, most punk scenes--and independent music scenes--existed in isolation unless local scenemakers (label honchos, show promoters, impresarios) brought influences into their communities...or as a particular place (e.g., the SF Bay Area throughout the 80s) became destinations for bands looking for greener pastures.

On a more national level, what brought more outside influences into American HC was the availability of BCT Tapes, or Borderless Countries Tapes, a one-man operation in San Diego that compiled bands from all over the world, but especially Europe, onto cassette compilations and a few vinyl ones. Before that, there were only a couple compilation LPs which offered the same window to different scenes...the legendary "Peace" 2xLP and MRR Presents "Welcome to 1984." These comps all came out within about one year's time, and these European bands definitely sounded very different to American ears. The story of Discharge's primacy in the story of overseas HC was just beginning to unfold to most American listeners. A bunch of American labels beginning in 1984 began putting out foreign HC bands on comps and solo releases. This is also when bands began to come from overseas to tour the US....Riistetyt and BGK chiefly during that time.