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Originally Posted by m1rr0r dash

please don't let me scare you out of art with a concentration in photography... it is in the top three on the list of things to do with my life. but if yr serious about it you should know that the "art world" is a cutthoat nasty place. i know many people who had huge dreams and now shoot weddings to pay the bills.

Oh yeah, I know it is not very easy. That is why I went with photojournalism, not that that is any easier.

[m1rr0r dash]

photojournalism is somewhere in my top ten things to do with my life... i'm just not ready to give up my dreams of being a capital "a" artist.

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True, I think one can be both an artist and still work. I know it is looked down upon, but I think that is how it is done, without stressing for money.

[m1rr0r dash]

Originally Posted by ✌➬

So what era do you like in Art? Or movement?

where to start...

primarily post WWII "conceptual art" ...60s neo-dada. fluxus. minimalism, land-art, installation work, performance art..

current fav artist: gordon matta-clark. my thesis (what there is of it) is an attempt to continue where he left off.

other strong influences: joseph bueys, sol lewitt, dieter roth, mary kelly, gerhard richter.


to the extent that these artist were influenced by pre WWII artists, i am also a huge fan of the "historical avant-gardes" ...ie, dada, futurism, surrealism, pataphysics, paranoid critical method, etc.

i prefer to think about art through the filter of freudian/lacanian psychoanalysis and french poststructuralism/deconstruction. this is highly unadvisable if the thought "i need to get a business degree" came anywhere near yr head.

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We were talking about Matta-Clark today in class.

edit- I would also like to add, that I have yet to discover which era I like the most. I have artist that I enjoy, but not movements.

[m1rr0r dash]

Originally Posted by ✌➬

True, I think one can be both an artist and still work. I know it is looked down upon, but I think that is how it is done, without stressing for money.

true.. one of the most down to earth and stable "artists" i know works men's wear retail at the mall. he's had solo shows at galleries, i have yet to do a group show.... so i assume he's got a better handle on the thing than i do.

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Yeah, I want to do a series of photograph on stereotypes. That is an idea I might do over the summer, since I won't have any classes.

[m1rr0r dash]

Originally Posted by ✌➬

I have artist that I enjoy, but not movements.

you are absolutely right in this.

from what little i've seen of the inner workings of the "art world" [and by "art world" i mostly mean the ny gallery scene/venice biennale type stuff]:

movement, shmovement! bullshit marketing. it's all about selling work, and if a critic picks up on an "ism" and the galleries get behind it... it goes in the history books.

if you talk this way in yr art history class you will fail.... you might be able to get a professor to go so far as admit that the "cult of personality" surrounding an individual artist is more important than "movements" ...but neatly packaged "isms" are what the university art history departments make their living on.

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Originally Posted by m1rr0r dash

you are absolutely right in this.

from what little i've seen of the inner workings of the "art world" [and by "art world" i mostly mean the ny gallery scene/venice biennale type stuff]:

movement, shmovement! bullshit marketing. it's all about selling work, and if a critic picks up on an "ism" and the galleries get behind it... it goes in the history books.

if you talk this way in yr art history class you will fail.... you might be able to get a professor to go so far as admit that the "cult of personality" surrounding an individual artist is more important than "movements" ...but neatly packaged "isms" are what the university art history departments make their living on.

You are absolutely right on this, I guess people want to neatly label things. I have never been able to do that, I just hate to fit one mold, and things I like to fit it. It seems odd, but that is the way I view art, and life.

[m1rr0r dash]

not odd at all, imo

this goes to the very core of the hypocrisy you have to get used to if you want to succeed in this thing. if you want to sell work, you need a gallery to represent you to potential collectors. if a gallery wants their cut on the sale, they will market yr stuff using over-simplified labels. and if you're lucky and a critic comes to interview you and you want to continue to sell work, you just nod and say, "yes, how amazingly perceptive of you, i do in fact fit this ism you speak of." ....and then you have to figure out how to sleep at night....


blech... it makes me want to puke. and yet this is what i dream of.

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I know that feeling, well I am going to bed. It is one, and barely studied, have a good one.

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peace. and good luck.