[atari 2600]

this song is so damn sinister with jealousy it's crazy...


Well I'd rather see you dead, little girl
Than to be with another man
You better keep your head, little girl
Or I won't know where I am

You better run for your life if you can, little girl
Hide your head in the sand little girl
Catch you with another man
That's the end'a little girl

Well you know that I'm a wicked guy
And I was born with a jealous mind
And I can't spend my whole life
Trying just to make you toe the line

You better run for your life if you can, little girl
Hide your head in the sand little girl
Catch you with another man
That's the end'a little girl

Let this be a sermon
I mean everything I've said
Baby, I'm determined
And I'd rather see you dead

You better run for your life if you can, little girl
Hide your head in the sand little girl
Catch you with another man
That's the end'a little girl

I'd rather see you dead, little girl
Than to be with another man
You better keep your head, little girl
Or you won't know where I am

You better run for your life if you can, little girl
Hide your head in the sand little girl
Catch you with another man
That's the end'a little girl
Na, na, na
Na, na, na
Na, na, na
Na, na, na
Well I'd rather see you dead, little girl
Than to be with another man
You better keep your head, little girl
Or I won't know where I am

You better run for your life if you can, little girl
Hide your head in the sand little girl
Catch you with another man
That's the end'a little girl

Well you know that I'm a wicked guy
And I was born with a jealous mind
And I can't spend my whole life
Trying just to make you toe the line

You better run for your life if you can, little girl
Hide your head in the sand little girl
Catch you with another man
That's the end'a little girl

Let this be a sermon
I mean everything I've said
Baby, I'm determined
And I'd rather see you dead

You better run for your life if you can, little girl
Hide your head in the sand little girl
Catch you with another man
That's the end'a little girl

I'd rather see you dead, little girl
Than to be with another man
You better keep your head, little girl
Or you won't know where I am

You better run for your life if you can, little girl
Hide your head in the sand little girl
Catch you with another man
That's the end'a little girl
Na, na, na
Na, na, na
Na, na, na
Na, na, na

[A Thousand Threads]

oh fuck
i thought the topic titel would be god vs. satan

uhh
my fault

[Hip Priest]

That's OK, it was interesting anyway.

[atari 2600]

Originally Posted by A Thousand Threads

The Bible, which is a very interesting and here and there very profound book when considered as one of the oldest surviving manifestations of human wisdom...

I completely agree. To me, the Bible is the world's greatest book of wisdom & I've read them all. Problems throughout history have arisen because people take it too literally, however.

The letter of the law killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

[!@#$%!]

i have to say. religion bores me. and the bible is a wonderful emetic.

i'll go with the tao te ching any day of the week over judeochristian psychosis. just sayin'

[Hip Priest]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

...tao te ching...

That's a truly great book. I have the Aleister Crowley translation. I've read it through a number of times and I dip into it regularly.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Saturnine

who, me? of course i am.

ha! i knew it. tuffest titty ever.

[atari 2600]

Originally Posted by Saturnine

who, me? of course i am.

truncated solely has the red bars & the karma of "cold hard sucka", so I think you may just have to settle for second place hehe.

[Glice]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

i have to say. religion bores me. and the bible is a wonderful emetic.

i'll go with the tao te ching any day of the week over judeochristian psychosis. just sayin'

You do realise there are soooo many similarities between the two, right? Admittedly, the Tao te Ching is somewhat more digestible, but there are a hulluva lot of similarities.

[atari 2600]

well, the Tao te Ching is more universal & it was the very first book of wisdom actually since it was written some 10,000 years B.C. (or B.C.E, if you prefer); it definitely relates to modern science & astrophysics much more too.

but, how much art has the Tao Te Ching really inspired? Not much.
on the other hand, how much war has the Tao Te Ching inspired? Not much. There was a brief tangle with the Confucians, but that was about it. The I-Ching is actually equal parts Taoism & Confucianism really.

I'm a western white man & a Kierkegaard devotee, so my unconscious gets more stimulated by The Bible ultimately.
The New Testament is about Christ as a symbol for the Self. Too bad more so-called Christians just don't get it. They should be required to study C.G. Jung's essay on the matter.

Originally Posted by Saturnine

fuck that fucking shit.
miss thang is going down.

that was a good comeback, oh spunky one. haha

[Glice]

I may be off on a limb here, but wasn't the Tao Te Ching lost and re-written sometime in the AD era? I seem to remember that from studying it a few years ago... Perhaps not as recently as AD, but I do seem to remember it was restructured after it was banned in one of China's many political upheavals...

[acousticrock87]

Originally Posted by A Thousand Threads

Jehovah, who of all the good gods adored by men was certainly the most jealous, the most vain, the most ferocious, the most unjust, the most bloodthirsty, the most despotic, and the most hostile to human dignity and liberty

I've studied plenty of theistic religions, and they are virtually all violent. The gods of the Enuma Elish are brutal. Most of the gods of Greek mythology are careless and view mankind as a game. Judeo-Christianity/Islam is severely harsh. South American religions were full of mass human sacrifice. Jehovah is actually the only deity that guarantees an afterlife - a sort of redemption. The Bible doesn't view Satan as an eternal rebel, he's just the manifestation of free will. According to the Bible, man was made to worship Jehovah. In order to do it properly they had to choose to. To choose, they needed an alternative. Adam and Eve chose the "wrong path". Then Christianity branched out and claimed that Jesus was a second chance, where each man can make up for the choice individually through a single choice. Jehovah is hardly hostile in light of what was really supposed to be conveyed. The only problem is providing evidence that this, or any other religion, could possibly be real.

[atari 2600]

Originally Posted by acousticrock87

I've studied plenty of theistic religions, and they are virtually all violent. The gods of the Enuma Elish are brutal. Most of the gods of Greek mythology are careless and view mankind as a game. Judeo-Christianity/Islam is severely harsh...

& Socrates, who was another main man for Kierkegaard besides Jesus, was put to death for impiety...questioning the gods of Athens.

The majority of the world's nations that terms themselves as having a Christian majority are actually much more Old Testament-minded than New Testament. The Old Testament is all about setting up initial civilizations. As such, it's pretty brutal & dogmatic & essentially about the history of a very bloody glorified tribal religion. Judgement is its cornerstone. Jesus taught, "Judge not lest ye be judged." The New Testament is (with the exception of a lot of St. Paul's writing & Revelations) about a revolution of human consciousness that still has never taken place yet & probably never will without massive suffering; such is human nature.

Perseverance Furthers.

[Daycare Nation]

What is the third choice? The rock band Queen?

Anyway, I chose Satan. Satan and girls are both evil, but with Satan you know what you're getting into up front when your soul is taken away.

[Daycare Nation]

Revelation is not war-like either. It's been hijacked by the fundies. The central message of Revelation is that there will be a healing river which flows from the throne and the lamb, and that the city of God will open its gates to all nations and peoples....the followers of the lamb are victorious, but if you notice there are no actual descriptions of battle.

[Hip Priest]

Originally Posted by Glice

I may be off on a limb here, but wasn't the Tao Te Ching lost and re-written sometime in the AD era? I seem to remember that from studying it a few years ago... Perhaps not as recently as AD, but I do seem to remember it was restructured after it was banned in one of China's many political upheavals...

It's not absolutely certain, as I understand it.

Lao Tzu lived roughly 580-500 BC (or he was born anywhere around 600-300BC), but some scholars believe the text to predate him by several centuries.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Daycare Nation

Revelation is not war-like either. It's been hijacked by the fundies. The central message of Revelation is that there will be a healing river which flows from the throne and the lamb, and that the city of God will open its gates to all nations and peoples....the followers of the lamb are victorious, but if you notice there are no actual descriptions of battle.

what the fuck is with LAMBS. such a crock. i stick w/ dh lawrence's reading, minus the antisemitism.

[acousticrock87]

Lambs are symbolic.

And in regard to what atari said, he's right. The New Testament is ideologically very anti-violence. Including that directed towards homosexuality. Christianity is extremely misunderstood - especially by Christians.

[atari 2600]

yeah D.H. Lawrence's Apocalypse...very angry stuff, but right on nonetheless about the history of that revenge fantasy book that has become the common interpretation of Revelations...

[Daycare Nation]

The purpose of Revelation was to present an antithesis to the Roman Goddess of war, Nike (Victory). It was a subversive message. The point is that the Christians are victorious without being warlike. They follow a little lamb who has been slain and yet somehow still stands. It's a symbol of non-violent resistance.