09.30.2008, 07:23 AM | #21 |
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I'm sorry, what is this thread even about?
I just don't understand who cares about any of this and what point you're trying to make... who cares what certain people think a genre should be called and what bands fit with what other bands... this is just crazy.. oh well, I'll try to answer... "post-hardcore = screamo where everyone plays power chords, nobody is really talented" is probably the dumbest thing I've ever read on this board and... is that what you really think? Or, are you describing it from someone else's viewpoint? If so, I apologize, and really that's brilliant if you're describing music from the point of view of someone who doesn't understand music. "Math" isn't a genre, and if you're actually talking about "math rock", not every "math" group has tapping... actually, the whole part of that post where you described genres was pretty boneheaded. Do we still live in a day and age where if a band is tagged as a certain genre, we still have specific expectations on how that band should sound? Uh.. anyway.. Also, "indie" isn't a genre. Again, if you're talking about math ROCK and indie ROCK, none of the bands in those genres sound anything alike. So, what's the point here, again? Why did you write for "indie" ... "See math"? "Emo culture" means absolutely nothing and your including of it in your, uh, "point", didn't seem to fit at all. I'm wondering if you actually know what emo is. I know there is a difference between emo and what is currently called the emo CULTURE, but just throwing that term in there doesn't really seem to make me understand your point any better. "In general, whenever I hear someone say that a band is an indie band, I brace myself, because I know they're going to either sound like some Screamo or like Coldplay. ..... I think I get what you're saying, that describing something as "indie" doesn't really let you know what kind of sound they're going to have... sure. Though I don't personally know anyone who describes music as just "indie". Also, "screamo", man I haven't heard that genre name since Orchid and Cobra Kai and all those awesome bands from like 7 years ago. I'm going to have to dig out some of that shit! "Why is everything core with these people? Mathcore, metalcore, spazcore, tweecore, emotional hardcore, grindcore." Is that what this post is about? I dunno, all those genres sound pretty distinctly different to me. Unless the word "core" bothers you. If it does, sorry about that. Also, "Spazzcore" is stuff like cutting pink with knives, I think, if it's even a "genre". Arab on Radar is quite clearly just noise rock. Also, "tweecore"... I'd love to hear some of that, I bet tweecore has some awesome bands! Or is that even a genre? .......Also, the continued mention of DLJ... Drive Like Jehu sounds nothing like any of the other bands mentioned in this thread and it's insulting to group them in with Minus the Bear and the Get Up Kids and Sparta and some of the other shitty bands mentioned in this thread.. and again, DLJ were just noise rock, I don't know what that has to do with any of the "core" bands being mentioned in this thread... At the Drive-In were a pretty cool band. The Mars Volta are the worst band to have ever existed. They represent everything bad in music. The end. ... This thread is one of the most pointless posts ever. Sorry. Not trying to be a dick at all... It's just a stupid thread. It just seems to suggest you have a severe lack of knowledge or you've never bothered to research or explore music beyond anything that dumb people you personally know tell you. I'm not being condescending here and I'm not pretending to know more than I do; your post just doesn't make an ounce of sense to me, so maybe you should enlighten me.. I just don't understand what point(s) you're even trying to make. No offense intended at all. |
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09.30.2008, 07:30 AM | #22 |
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agree, dumb thread.
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09.30.2008, 08:27 AM | #23 |
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Paul Newman were a cool band.
at the drive in seems to me to merge the bombast and dynamics of the CULT with the slashing frenetic guitar of Drive Like Jehu/Jesus Lizard. good stuff. BTW, if you do not hear subtlety and dynamic range in math rock music, yr listening to the wrong stuff.
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i'll just listen to some heroin and forget about this thread.
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09.30.2008, 01:27 PM | #25 |
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'suicide invoice' is one of the best records of the decade still. ive actually grown to like it even more than 'yank crime', and that is saying a lot.
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09.30.2008, 01:32 PM | #27 |
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mars volta makes music. thats for sure. but its shitty music
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09.30.2008, 01:34 PM | #28 | |
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I think you put that pretty well. In conversation, I'm not always near a computer to give musical examples, but more and more I'll say "well my friend's band does stuff in the vein of Godspeed and American Don era Don Cab." But then I still hit the loophole of people not having heard of either of those bands |
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listen to talk talk's 'laughing stock' and 'spirit of eden', those two records were the band experimenting with music and sound whillst under the influence of heroin. they are both truly great records. this was a band who was known for making (pretty damn good) synth pop singles and making lots of money. Then they (mark hollis and friese-greene) went into the studio and decided it was a good idea to shoot tons of heroin, gather together 16 musicians, and jam out for hours on instrumental improvisation. They then did more dope and used digital equipment to edit and arrange all the improv they did. The result is a beautiful arrangement of ambient music, jazz, classical instrumentation, and pop/rock. They then did this same thing and perfected it even more on "Laughing Stock". I love these albums mucho, and then even sold millions of records too, pretty nuts.
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09.30.2008, 01:42 PM | #30 |
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I guess no one's going to explain the point of this thread to me. Maybe because it's pointless.
So... about Orchid.. |
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I think you missed the point of my post. . . I think you skimmed it in fact. . . A lot of my favorite bands are classified as being post-hardcore and math rock. But there seems to be a group of people that like that group of bands who use a bunch of different genre names to differentiate a group of different hardcore bands who really aren't all that different. I'll go to a show and I'll ask someone what kind of music a band their plays, and they'll say "math." So I expect to hear some complex rhythms, maybe some intricate guitar work, and a good drummer. But then it's a hardcore band with no sense of rhythm a drummer who's spastic but incredibly untalented a bassist who cranks his super huge cab so much that it sounds like bantha poodoo, one guitarist just playing power chords, and the other guitarist inaudibly tapping and stepping on a DL4 once in awhile but it doesn't matter because you can't hear him anyways. I didn't group DLJ with those other bands. I brought them up as being a better post-hardcore band than ATDI. Not that I think ATDI are bad, just not better than FUGAZI or Drive Like Jehu like someone argued. |
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09.30.2008, 02:16 PM | #32 | |
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alright... TOPIC CHANGE
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i saw them live and they weren't. not as bad as the panther or whatever band the singer started after orchid. i saw him at a bar the other night. |
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one of the best bands to come out of that scene. |
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I really really hate The Mars Volta. For years, people have been telling me to listen to them since I'm really big into Floyd, Rush, etc. and that I should love 'em. I kinda put it in the back of my head until this past summer. My best friend, who is a huge MV fan, told me to download De-Loused. I figured, "Oh, what the fuck? Might as well." My GOD, it was the most pointless, convoluted, wanky shit ever! (well, other than Dream Theater or that Dragonforce band, I guess.) I made the mistake of downloading the rest of their albums to see if I could find anything likable about them, only to find them even more progressively wanky. It didn't help that the vocalist is absofuckinglutely grating either.
I remember when ATDI had One-Armed Scissor on the radio. It was pretty good from what I can remember. Not sure if I'd want to spend time on one of their albums, though. |
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check out NEIL PERRY... "FADING AWAY LIKE THE REST OF THEM" is one of my favorite songs ever. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFcDeR7fgSI |
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no question, mars volta is the worst band going right now. there's worst sounding music obviously, like i duno, fat joe. but fat joe doesnt take himself as ridiuclously serious as cedric and omar, thats thier major fault right there.
heroin is a rad band though. antioch arrow is cool too.
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I just can't stand all that core shit. I quote you on all subjects. Bravo. |
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I didn't say you did. I said they shouldn't be mentioned in the same thread as some of the other bullshit bands that were mentioned because they're so awesome haha. |
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