but the original teaser to it were different. it featerued almost all artists who appear in the film, and a lot of karen o....

[atsonicpark]

Just get netflix. It's on instant watch on there... er, Actually, don't bother. It REALLY sucks. As soon as they switch to the new bands, it sucks. Needed more footage of DNA and Mars and stuff and less footage of LIARS and Yeah Yeah Yeahs and such.. those bands aren't even no wave... how can they not even MENTION Scissor Girls? Also, there wasn't a lot of history at all, just someone going "they wanted to express themselves with music, so they played some stuff." for about 20 minutes and then BOOM there's Karen O screeching. Just really poor. Amongst the worst documentaries I've ever seen actually.

[EvdWee]

it's not a teaser, it's the first chapter, but when you watch in on pitchfork's normal site, it won't proceed to further chapters...
just go here: http://pitchfork.tv/ and click on one week only. then it should go to the next chapter after the first has ended. if it's not the case, you can navigate in the section at the bottom right...

[atsonicpark]

HEH

[stu666]

Originally Posted by EvdWee

it's not a teaser, it's the first chapter, but when you watch in on pitchfork's normal site, it won't proceed to further chapters...
just go here: http://pitchfork.tv/ and click on one week only. then it should go to the next chapter after the first has ended. if it's not the case, you can navigate in the section at the bottom right...

cheers!

[This Is Not Here]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

Just get netflix. It's on instant watch on there... er, Actually, don't bother. It REALLY sucks. As soon as they switch to the new bands, it sucks. Needed more footage of DNA and Mars and stuff and less footage of LIARS and Yeah Yeah Yeahs and such.. those bands aren't even no wave... how can they not even MENTION Scissor Girls? Also, there wasn't a lot of history at all, just someone going "they wanted to express themselves with music, so they played some stuff." for about 20 minutes and then BOOM there's Karen O screeching. Just really poor. Amongst the worst documentaries I've ever seen actually.

To be honest, it was redeemed for me by having the original No Wavers, Lydia Lunch, Glenn Branca and Lee bitching about the current 'scene' (or absence of) in New York. The documentary confirmed for me just how much I like Branca and Lunch as people, I reckon they'd be awesome to meet in person.

[TheMadcapLaughs]

i like the documentary, and i am not like a big fan of the liars and the yeah, yeah, yeah's but i think those bands interviews were edited to look like they are fucking idiots, maybe they are. i dunno. but i think it was edited heavily to show how the young people are career driven and all that shit. but if you waved all that money in front of any of those no wave bands i guarentee they would have taken it.

but yeah the o.g. bands were MUCH more original and interesting, but I just doubt that artistic integrity bullshit. like they gave a shit about anything.

[Rob Instigator]

is it just me or do the Yeah yeah yeahs come off as m,ore like late 70's early 80's siouxsie and the banshees than anything No Wave?

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by TheMadcapLaughs

i like the documentary, and i am not like a big fan of the liars and the yeah, yeah, yeah's but i think those bands interviews were edited to look like they are fucking idiots, maybe they are. i dunno. but i think it was edited heavily to show how the young people are career driven and all that shit. but if you waved all that money in front of any of those no wave bands i guarentee they would have taken it.

but yeah the o.g. bands were MUCH more original and interesting, but I just doubt that artistic integrity bullshit. like they gave a shit about anything.

the original bands in No Wave were out to destroy music, not to make money selling rehashed shit to people.

[noisereductions]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

Just get netflix. It's on instant watch on there... er, Actually, don't bother. It REALLY sucks. As soon as they switch to the new bands, it sucks. Needed more footage of DNA and Mars and stuff and less footage of LIARS and Yeah Yeah Yeahs and such.. those bands aren't even no wave... how can they not even MENTION Scissor Girls? Also, there wasn't a lot of history at all, just someone going "they wanted to express themselves with music, so they played some stuff." for about 20 minutes and then BOOM there's Karen O screeching. Just really poor. Amongst the worst documentaries I've ever seen actually.

Agreed.

[atsonicpark]

Yeah Yeah Yeahs just come off as bullshit.

I don't think no wave bands were "out to destroy music". That's more of a noise/industrial thing, stuff like Throbbing Gristle. No wave was just ugly music made by ugly people who didn't know how to play music or wanted to make music that was extremely primitive and direct. No wave, to me, was the logical extension of punk and just like punk it burnt itself out really quickly. Which is probably for the best.

I'd like to acquire some no wave films made around that time.

[Rob Instigator]

I was just quoting the no wave artists directly. they have all said at various times that they were out to destroy music.

Industrial was DANCE MUSIC man. whatever it has become now it started as DANCE music, and not out to destroy music.

[atsonicpark]

Yeah man Throbbing Gristle and Einsturzende Neubauten. Gonna do the fucking macarena to that shit!

You are right, there is a genre called "industrial dance". Obviously, I'm not talking about that. And industrial started out as..

The first industrial artists experimented with varying degrees of noise, production techniques and what, at the time, were considered controversial topics. Their production was not only limited to musical output. It also included mail art, performance art, installation pieces and other art forms.

SINCE THEN, perhaps, some of the more mainstream acts have become dancier and stuff. But it definitely didn't start out that way. Perhaps your knowledge of industrial music is limited to Ministry started out as a synthpop band and becoming an industrial metal band later.

hahaha ministry? do they still exist?

[noisereductions]

Wasn't a lot of the earliest industrial music really like Muisique Concrete?

[atsonicpark]

They released their last album a while back but I think they're still touring until Bush leaves office or something. They have to be one of the most consistent bands of all time.. after a certain point, all their albums are great. I'm probably alone in this, but FILTH PIG is my favorite. Such a dirty, nasty record. Goddamn. I love that thing.

[atsonicpark]

Originally Posted by noisereductions

Wasn't a lot of the earliest industrial music really like Muisique Concrete?

Either way, Rob won't admit that he was wrong. So, there's really nothing else to say.

[Rob Instigator]

Musique conrete was an influence on industrial music, but yr right, industrial is a very vague term and covers all sorts of musical groups from the early 70's on.

[Rob Instigator]

nitzer ebb, skinny puppy, early minstry, revolting cocks, stuff like that was industrial dance. I stand corretced

[atsonicpark]

Word.

I stand corrected as well then!