Do you really exist? - Page 2

SuchFriendsAreDangerous · 12.03.2008, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GeneticKiss

But the pain could be part of the illusion...

Now your on track.

uhler · 12.03.2008, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneticKiss

But the pain could be part of the illusion...

oh yeah, shit, i'm just a lost soul thinking he's alive. damn.

alteredcourse · 12.03.2008, 11:54 PM

Suppose you can see feeling and perspective as illusion, or see all emotion and behavior based entirely on chemical-electrical reactions, cant you still exist and host these things? Being a puppet is still being.

Alex's Trip · 12.03.2008, 11:54 PM

Nothing can truly be known to exist.

Müeller-Lyer illusion

Ponzo illusion

Both sets of lines in the pictures above are the same length, though they do not appear to be. It certainly calls into question the reliability of the senses with which we perceive and judge the world. So on what basis can we give our senses any credibility or authority?

A ruler can show that the lines are the same length. Comparative analysis seems to be a good way to corroborate similarity and congruence but does it prove existence? Not necessarily. Is there an equivalent ruler with which I can measure myself in order to discern that I am indeed a human being like all other human beings? The consistency of our senses, the fact that the 'true word' exists (whereas dreams and hallucinations pass and make evident their falsehood) in one continuous and unbroken thread of time makes room for the leap of faith that we take when we say that we exist.

Until my existence drifts away like a dream or fades like a hallucinogenic trip and I am thrust into a new reality, I must say that I and the things around me exist. Of course it remains a leap of faith, but without proof that anything exists or that, more importantly, nothing exists, a certain acceptance is required to live on through the world, for if nothing exists, how do you explain the world around us?

uhler · 12.03.2008, 11:55 PM

what happens if the illusion is actually alive?

GeneticKiss · 12.03.2008, 11:58 PM

Alex's Trip, the illusions aren't showing.

Wait, are you creating the illusion that there should be images there?

akprodr · 12.03.2008, 11:58 PM

I don't think much so therefore I may not be.

alteredcourse · 12.04.2008, 12:00 AM

I guess it is easier to suggest that I exist than to venture into whether the things around me exist. But even if senses are unreliable, even if you can hallucinate , or not, and everyone can have drastically different perceptions and mental lives, we are still using the senses in the first place.

Edit : ^^I don't think much so therefore I may not be.
HA!! Gold.

!@#$%! · 12.04.2008, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

Prove it.

i don't need to-- since you have not proven your own existence in the first place, i must take that you don't exist, and why should i attempt to prove anything to non-entities? a waste of time!

alteredcourse · 12.04.2008, 12:21 AM

Aha!

I wish I had said that to a customer at work yesterday, he said that he was perfect and asked if I was, I passively said "Sure" and he demanded that I go to a court and bring me back the proof.

ZEROpumpkins · 12.04.2008, 12:48 AM

This is my kinda thread

deflinus · 12.04.2008, 01:38 AM

im real. i have three daughters. and you know that.

alteredcourse · 12.04.2008, 01:45 AM

In any situation, theres a way I can easily act, a way I am compelled to act, and then I can consider a multitude of ways I could act.
Meh..maybe all those functions are still part of the illusion. But I still partake.

jon boy · 12.04.2008, 01:48 AM

occasionally.

blunderbuss · 12.04.2008, 01:59 AM

^
He exists. I don't.

alteredcourse · 12.04.2008, 02:02 AM

What does he exist for?

GeneticKiss · 12.04.2008, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by deflinus

im real. i have three daughters. and you know that.

Really? What are their names?

amerikangod · 12.04.2008, 02:11 AM

Have you heard Meatloaf's 'Bat Out of Hell'? I think it's impossible to bask in its RIGHTEOUSNESS and then say that this, you know, what we've got goin' on in here [taps chest] ... that that ain't real, man. Nah, you are not going to tell me that. NO YOU ARE NOT. It's the only thing in this whole world that's pure and good and riiiiiiiiiiiiight. And wherever you are and wherever you go, there's always gonna be some liiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Then I'm down in the bottom of a pit in the blazing sun,
Torn and twisted at the foot of a burning bike,
And I think somebody somewhere must be tolling a bell.
And the last thing I see is my heart,
Still beating... still beating...
Breaking out of my body, and flying away
Like a bat out of hell

jon boy · 12.04.2008, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by blunderbuss

^
He exists. I don't.

well sometimes you do.

uhler · 12.04.2008, 02:42 AM

maybe i only exist in this forum.

12.03.2008, 11:54 PM	#23
alteredcourse expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,503	Suppose you can see feeling and perspective as illusion, or see all emotion and behavior based entirely on chemical-electrical reactions, cant you still exist and host these things? Being a puppet is still being.
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Alex's Trip invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Southern California Posts: 5,608	Nothing can truly be known to exist. Müeller-Lyer illusion Ponzo illusion Both sets of lines in the pictures above are the same length, though they do not appear to be. It certainly calls into question the reliability of the senses with which we perceive and judge the world. So on what basis can we give our senses any credibility or authority? A ruler can show that the lines are the same length. Comparative analysis seems to be a good way to corroborate similarity and congruence but does it prove existence? Not necessarily. Is there an equivalent ruler with which I can measure myself in order to discern that I am indeed a human being like all other human beings? The consistency of our senses, the fact that the 'true word' exists (whereas dreams and hallucinations pass and make evident their falsehood) in one continuous and unbroken thread of time makes room for the leap of faith that we take when we say that we exist. Until my existence drifts away like a dream or fades like a hallucinogenic trip and I am thrust into a new reality, I must say that I and the things around me exist. Of course it remains a leap of faith, but without proof that anything exists or that, more importantly, nothing exists, a certain acceptance is required to live on through the world, for if nothing exists, how do you explain the world around us? __________________ KALOPSIA
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12.03.2008, 11:55 PM	#25
uhler invito al cielo Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 3,615	what happens if the illusion is actually alive?
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12.03.2008, 11:58 PM	#26
GeneticKiss expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,666	Alex's Trip, the illusions aren't showing. Wait, are you creating the illusion that there should be images there? __________________ https://handinthefates.bandcamp.com<--music
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12.03.2008, 11:58 PM	#27
akprodr the end of the ugly Join Date: May 2006 Location: Mt Clair Posts: 1,129	I don't think much so therefore I may not be. __________________ Odi profanum vulgus et arceo
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12.04.2008, 12:00 AM	#28
alteredcourse expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,503	I guess it is easier to suggest that I exist than to venture into whether the things around me exist. But even if senses are unreliable, even if you can hallucinate , or not, and everyone can have drastically different perceptions and mental lives, we are still using the senses in the first place. Edit : ^^I don't think much so therefore I may not be. HA!! Gold.
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12.04.2008, 12:21 AM	#30
alteredcourse expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,503	Aha! I wish I had said that to a customer at work yesterday, he said that he was perfect and asked if I was, I passively said "Sure" and he demanded that I go to a court and bring me back the proof.
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12.04.2008, 12:48 AM	#31
ZEROpumpkins invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 6,157	This is my kinda thread __________________
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12.04.2008, 01:38 AM	#32
deflinus expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: in the darkest part of your mind Posts: 1,737	im real. i have three daughters. and you know that.
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12.04.2008, 01:45 AM	#33
alteredcourse expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,503	In any situation, theres a way I can easily act, a way I am compelled to act, and then I can consider a multitude of ways I could act. Meh..maybe all those functions are still part of the illusion. But I still partake.
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12.04.2008, 01:48 AM	#34
jon boy invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: psycho battery Posts: 12,161	occasionally. __________________ Sarcasm[A] is stating the opposite of an intended meaning especially in order to sneeringly, slyly, jest or mock a person, situation or thing \|@ <------- Euphoric brain cell just moments before expiration V _ \ / _ PING <-------- moments later / \ http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljhxq...isruo1_500.gif
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12.04.2008, 01:59 AM	#35
blunderbuss invito al cielo Join Date: May 2008 Location: UK Posts: 2,526	^ He exists. I don't.
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12.04.2008, 02:02 AM	#36
alteredcourse expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,503	What does he exist for?
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12.04.2008, 02:11 AM	#38
amerikangod invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,761	Have you heard Meatloaf's 'Bat Out of Hell'? I think it's impossible to bask in its RIGHTEOUSNESS and then say that this, you know, what we've got goin' on in here [taps chest] ... that that ain't real, man. Nah, you are not going to tell me that. NO YOU ARE NOT. It's the only thing in this whole world that's pure and good and riiiiiiiiiiiiight. And wherever you are and wherever you go, there's always gonna be some liiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Then I'm down in the bottom of a pit in the blazing sun, Torn and twisted at the foot of a burning bike, And I think somebody somewhere must be tolling a bell. And the last thing I see is my heart, Still beating... still beating... Breaking out of my body, and flying away Like a bat out of hell __________________
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12.04.2008, 02:42 AM	#40
uhler invito al cielo Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 3,615	maybe i only exist in this forum.
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