[Glice]

Catholics only blame Jews for a lark; truly speaking, Jews aren't known for their regicide.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by fugazifan

then shouldnt you thank the jews for killing him instead of holding it against them?

Well, yes, actually some theologians have made exactly that argument. However, that is against the entire point of condemning the jews of Jesus' generation.

Those Jews of that time, they denied His divinity, His grace, His absolute Love for Mankind. The purpose of condemning those Jews is to provoke the Christians to remain in continuous praise and perpetual thanksgiving. It is to remind Christians NOT to condemn Jesus as they did, and to embrace Jesus Christ eternal sacrifice for men's salvation.

Of course, the complication, particularly in Christian communities with large jewish populations across history, such as in Poland, Spain, Syria, and especially Ethiopia, is that contemporary Jews represent a socio-political threat against the establishment represented by Christianity. The beef with jews between Christians historically has been far more motivated by politics and economics than with theology or religion.

Jews in Eastern Europe or Northern Africa represented either banking or metalurgy, all extremely valuable and competitive positions.

But I think that this was already well covered :

Originally Posted by SpectralJulianIsNotDead

Because Catholics are Romans. And Romans hated Jews well before they changed the names of their Gods to those of Saints.

The real Christian dogma is that everyone future, past, and present is responsible for Christ's horrible death.

Originally Posted by SpectralJulianIsNotDead

Which seems strange to me. As a non-church going Christian, I accept the corruption of religious leaders as a fact of life.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to SpectralJulianIsNotDead again.

I go to an American synod Ethiopian Orthodox Church, there is a split between the Metropolitan Bishopric of Abun Merkorios and the Addis Ababa Synod and Bishopric of Abun Paulos, the Patriarch of Ethiopia. As such, there is a serious division in Ethiopian Orthodox Churches in America, and a shitload of name-calling and finger pointing... I dont get any of it, and I couldn't not agree more with your statement, it should be in the fucking bible!

Truly, accepting the corruption of religious leaders is declaration of faith. While there is division in my church, I love and accept my Church as God-given and divine, and the divisions are petty and man-made..

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by ZEROpumpkins

Hence scaring them into believing.
Hence why I do not follow religion.

You have been exposed to the wrong elements of Christianity. Christianity is there to remind you of the love for mankind with God has, in sending Himself in the incarnation of the Infinite and Immortal Godhead bodily into the frail and helpless flesh of humans. No other religion truly embraces the concept of the Incarnation, that the Infinite and Immeasurable Divinity could embrace and inhabit the flesh of people. It is nothing to be afraid of, quite the contrary it is a time to rejoice!

Hence why the Angels of the Annunciation said, "Let heaven and earth rejoice, and good will amongst Men!"

Those Christians who rely on fear tactics are really just politicians seeking power in the community, and they have nothing to do with religion, they are merely using religion as a pretext.

True religion is uplifting and spiritually edifying, if it was not, people would not stick to it..

as Tool sang, "If there were no rewards to reap,
No loving embrace to see me through this tedious path Ive chosen here,
I certainly wouldve walked away by now."

[jon boy]

what does god think about santa?

[Danny Himself]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to SuchFriendsAreDangerous again.

[gualbert]

Originally Posted by jon boy

what does god think about santa?

Santa is sorta, the representation of god: old man, white beard, the God for atheists and gullible little children.

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

You have been exposed to the wrong elements of Christianity. Christianity is there to remind you of the love for mankind with God has, in sending Himself in the incarnation of the Infinite and Immortal Godhead bodily into the frail and helpless flesh of humans. No other religion truly embraces the concept of the Incarnation, that the Infinite and Immeasurable Divinity could embrace and inhabit the flesh of people. It is nothing to be afraid of, quite the contrary it is a time to rejoice!

Hence why the Angels of the Annunciation said, "Let heaven and earth rejoice, and good will amongst Men!"

Those Christians who rely on fear tactics are really just politicians seeking power in the community, and they have nothing to do with religion, they are merely using religion as a pretext.

True religion is uplifting and spiritually edifying, if it was not, people would not stick to it..

as Tool sang, "If there were no rewards to reap,
No loving embrace to see me through this tedious path Ive chosen here,
I certainly wouldve walked away by now."

That's quite true. I never talked to someone who I have perceived as a genuine catholic blaming anything on the Jewish or others. Perhaps being brought up by a bona fide 'once nun to be' helped me not only being tolerant of others, but also developing mutual respect for our deeply contrasting views on religion.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by gualbert

Santa is sorta, the representation of god: old man, white beard, the God for atheists and gullible little children.

His origin is actually Eastern Orthodox and not western at all, which is how in the west things got all fucked up and commercial.

The cultural myth of Santa, who has a dozen names and identities across Russia, Eastern Europe, Greece and Asia Minor (the realms of Eastern Christianity) is related to the Saint's tradition.

He is a saint, who came around towards to end of the great Fasting season of Advent, to reward people for their faith with prayers, blessings and treats, much like a priest. This is really much the same with ALL SAINTS in the Orthodox tradition, they all provide a kind of benediction accommodated by some kind of material treat. In the orthodox tradition of fasting, these treats are often food related. Christmas candies and cookies and cakes all originate in the tradition of breaking the fast after midnight mass.

[Toilet & Bowels]

It is true that Catholics (and indeed all Christian sects) hate Jews, but it is not, as is commonly beleived, because the Jews killed Jesus, it is in fact because we Christians plagarized Judaism in the creation of Chritianity, and yet now we are embarrased by the derivative nature of our faith and wish to conceal our theoligical theivery but erading any trace of the Jewish religion.

[Toilet & Bowels]

Furthermore, the core of Catholicism isn't that Jesus died for our sins, the core belief that sets Catholicism apart from all other religions is the mystery of transubstantiation. Unlike other Christians whose cannibalism of Jesus is symbolic, the true beleiving Catholic literally commits ritual cannibalism, idealy every Sunday morning a couple of hours before lunch.

[acousticrock87]

The mystery of transubstantiation is simple. You say, "What the fuck?" and look to Wycliffe for a reassuring shrug.

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

It is true that Catholics (and indeed all Christian sects) hate Jews, but it is not, as is commonly beleived, because the Jews killed Jesus, it is in fact because we Christians plagarized Judaism in the creation of Chritianity, and yet now we are embarrased by the derivative nature of our faith and wish to conceal our theoligical theivery but erading any trace of the Jewish religion.

Theologically Christianity hates all other religions, not just Judaism. Things are not that simple because the very reason the nazis wanted to exterminate all jews in the first place was because they were growing to be a way too self-sufficient entity theologically and consequently economically in a country which was already starting to feel the economical (not financial) strain, therefore they had to go in a productive way. If the Jews were in the same position as the ruling class back then, they would have naturally done the same thing. Theology is just an after taste of a balance of power, not its starting point.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

Furthermore, the core of Catholicism isn't that Jesus died for our sins, the core belief that sets Catholicism apart from all other religions is the mystery of transubstantiation. Unlike other Christians whose cannibalism of Jesus is symbolic, the true beleiving Catholic literally commits ritual cannibalism, idealy every Sunday morning a couple of hours before lunch.

Thats only between protestants and orthodox.

In the Orthodox Church we equally believe in the Actual Presence, whereas protestants of American and western European christianity believe in the symbolism of the Eucharist.

The idea is not merely cannibalism, as the Actual or Real Presence is not just to eat, but in general, so that the Body of Jesus is actually in the room, and you are actually standing before and praying to the true body and presence of God. It is very mystical experience, which makes Christianity a very metaphysical religion, which protestants have stripped from their religion and as a result, have a very deprived and even bankrupt form of Christianity which explains a lot of about Americand and protestant christian hypocrisy..

further, I myself wonder if we have the whole interpretation of human sacrifice in the Americas all wrong. I mean, think about it, if five hundred years from now some archeologists broke into an Orthodox church, full of icons of a crucified Jesus, and get access to the idea of communion, they would think perhaps, under a misunderstanding, that we ACTUALLY killed a person each sunday for our service, which technically is the belief of the Church, that Jesus Christ killed and resurrected body ACTUALLY and LITERALLY sits on the altar. So I was thinking, perhaps the human sacrifice of the Americas is not literally killing people, but something akin to Christian communion. After all, we base a good deal of our inferences on Mesoamerican religion on our own intepretations of indian iconography and motifs carved in stone.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

Theologically Christianity hates all other religions, not just Judaism. Things are not that simple because the very reason the nazis wanted to exterminate all jews in the first place was because they were growing to be a way too self-sufficient entity theologically and consequently economically in a country which was already starting to feel the economical (not financial) strain, therefore they had to go in a productive way. If the Jews were in the same position as the ruling class back then, they would have naturally done the same thing. Theology is just an after taste of a balance of power, not its staring point.

It is terrible how Christianity as made this mistake. The TRUE belief of Christianity is that Jesus Christ is the sole incarnation of ANY and EVERY possible God which a person might worship, so that is not the opposite of all religions, it is the fulfillment there of.

[acousticrock87]

I dunno. I grew up in a Christianity, and in my experience the reason most Christians are so aggressive and seemingly hateful against other beliefs and religions is because they're so afraid of hell. I don't deny that there are hate and superiority complexes involved--and often their reactions are extremely ignorant, obviously--but I think more often than not, it's not genuinely hateful, but out of fear for the other person. It can be incredibly blinding when that's all you know.

But I know my share of Christians who are just plain hateful and unwilling to think, so that exists too.

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

It is terrible how Christianity as made this mistake. The TRUE belief of Christianity is that Jesus Christ is the sole incarnation of ANY and EVERY possible God which a person might worship, so that is not the opposite of all religions, it is the fulfillment there of.

I wouldn't call it a mistake, more a successful and deeply unfair operation, which is bound to change someday.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

I wouldn't call it a mistake, more a successful and deeply unfair operation, which is bound to change someday.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to sarramkrop again.

[Toilet & Bowels]

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

Theologically Christianity hates all other religions, not just Judaism. Things are not that simple because the very reason the nazis wanted to exterminate all jews in the first place was because they were growing to be a way too self-sufficient entity theologically and consequently economically in a country which was already starting to feel the economical (not financial) strain, therefore they had to go in a productive way. If the Jews were in the same position as the ruling class back then, they would have naturally done the same thing. Theology is just an after taste of a balance of power, not its starting point.

I didn't say we don't hate other religions, merely that that is our reason for hating Jews. Obvioulsy Christians hate all other religions just as every Christian sect hates all the others.

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

I didn't say we don't hate other religions, merely that that is our reason for hating Jews. Obvioulsy Christians hate all other religions just as every Christian sect hates all the others.

Sure, got that. Your post came across like it was a particularly sore point for christianity at this moment in time, which is a kind of an outdated way of thinking by now. If anything the jews seem to be joining forces with christianity in hating anything else that doesn't stem from the same parables, in the current climate, so I was trying to understand what was the point being made.

[Toilet & Bowels]

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

Your post came across like it was a particularly sore point for christianity at this moment in time

It's been a sore point for nearly 2000 years!