[demonrail666]

Yeah, that does strike me as unusual. I know people that were supporters in the beginning and remain so, or those that were in favour and then changed their mind, but noone that wasn't in favour initially and now is.

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

Originally Posted by MellySingsDoom

Hmm, $30 million dollars seems to be pretty excessive, I suppose, but I would imagine it would cost a fair packet to cancel the ceremony too. As for Barack, I reserve judgment on him until he's actually running the show for real. It seems a tad premature to call him a liar on a not-created-yet record. The best thing is to watch and observe as he goes about things...he sure has a massive in-tray, and like all politicians, president-elect Obama will have made certain promises that he can't/is unable to deliver on....plus ca change.

An economy in freefall, trouble abroad, the ever-present Israel/Palestine issue, issues with power (oil etc)....interesting times ahead, for sure...

this is sort of how I feel

give the guy a chance

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by Lethrneck4

should a president elect who is all about change like obama, be spending over $30 million on an inauguration when a lot of americans cant afford to pay their bills or feed thier kids? arent these the people who obama swore to take care of? just another liar who, now that he is in office..will forget all he promised. you can call me a republican, conservative, troublemaker, whatever.

but i think i make a valid point

DISCUSS...and lets see what i get more of...insults..or valid reponses

So you are in favor of using that money to help Americans pay bills and feed children? What exactly is your stance on welfare?

Also we should let the staggering ticket sales speak for themselves.

But please, I want to hear this from you, are you suggesting that this inauguration is being funded by taxpayer dollars?

[acousticrock87]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

Yeah, that does strike me as unusual. I know people that were supporters in the beginning and remain so, or those that were in favour and then changed their mind, but noone that wasn't in favour initially and now is.

I know people who defend the war now that the alleged reasons have changed, and others who now defend the war because they've heard back from siblings and friends who are fighting, and say Iraq would go to shit without us. Which, I imagine wouldn't be a difficult idea to pick up over there, since the US military is naturally witnessing the fullest force of "insurgents."

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by MellySingsDoom

Hmm, $30 million dollars seems to be pretty excessive, I suppose, but I would imagine it would cost a fair packet to cancel the ceremony too. As for Barack, I reserve judgment on him until he's actually running the show for real. It seems a tad premature to call him a liar on a not-created-yet record. The best thing is to watch and observe as he goes about things...he sure has a massive in-tray, and like all politicians, president-elect Obama will have made certain promises that he can't/is unable to deliver on....plus ca change.

An economy in freefall, trouble abroad, the ever-present Israel/Palestine issue, issues with power (oil etc)....interesting times ahead, for sure...

What you're hearing from the right is an attempt to shape Obama's platform to far left idealism so that any attempt on the would-be President to do any centrist work could be attacked as betrayal. Neocons like letherneck here are trying to muster all they can remember from Karl Rove in order to rewrite history in order to undermine Obama from his base.

[Lethrneck4]

as i thought, a few unbiased opinions, but mainly left wingers like Pbradley whining. sorry, its a disgusting waste of money while many americans struggle. if obama was a real leader, hed make his unauguration a small TV only event and use those donations towards furthering some of his ideas.

beleive me, in a year or 2 when a lot of obamas ideas fail or never come to fruition, what we will hear from libs is this.... "WELL BUSH LEFT A GIANT MESS, OBAMA IS TRYING"

i can already hear it, hehehe

[acousticrock87]

The thing is, you're objecting to (or whining about--your word) $30 million dollars or whatever it was and "failed ideas" that of course haven't occurred (yet), but all we're saying is: even McCain's ideas were shit, and we only had two options. Is $30 million supposed to convince us we should have picked the shit candidate?

I have no problem with disagreements, but you can't convert someone with bullshit like this. Even if it's logical bullshit, this is politics. Everyone is going to be stubborn as fuck. What is the point? You even saw it coming.

[pbradley]

"He should use the money to further his ideas."

"His ideas suck."

So, lethrneck, is it a waste of money to spend on his ideas or not? Seems like you have some dissonance in your reasoning.

Also you still sound ironically socialist arguing that Obama should appropriate donation money for government use. He should also appropriate your paycheck since whatever you'll spend it on will be just as a disgusting waste as these contributors, probably more so.

[samuel]

Lethrneck's posts are wayyy more interesting than the 100,000+ posts against Bush. Just saying.

[acousticrock87]

I fully agree. But "interesting" is a tricky word.

[!@#$%!]

as much i like almost everyone's answers here, i am surprised that leatherbrains still gets reasoned responses. i guess he makes good practice dummy, for debate and such, because i don't think anyone believes anymore they can put any notions in that dumbfuck brain of his-- it's a known fact that imbeciles never change their minds.

--
ps- "interesting"? like those yahoos on springer maybe. or that ex-bouncer of his. steve something.

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by acousticrock87

I know people who defend the war now that the alleged reasons have changed, and others who now defend the war because they've heard back from siblings and friends who are fighting, and say Iraq would go to shit without us. Which, I imagine wouldn't be a difficult idea to pick up over there, since the US military is naturally witnessing the fullest force of "insurgents."

Isn't that slightly different though? I believe that once the war had begun, the coalition forces were obliged to see it through to the end. I still believe the war was a mistake but think it would be even more disastrous for Iraq were it now to be left in limbo. It isn't so much denying a mistake has been made as taking responsibility for it.

[fugazifan]

Originally Posted by MellySingsDoom

Hmm, $30 million dollars seems to be pretty excessive, I suppose, but I would imagine it would cost a fair packet to cancel the ceremony too. As for Barack, I reserve judgment on him until he's actually running the show for real. It seems a tad premature to call him a liar on a not-created-yet record. The best thing is to watch and observe as he goes about things...he sure has a massive in-tray, and like all politicians, president-elect Obama will have made certain promises that he can't/is unable to deliver on....plus ca change.

An economy in freefall, trouble abroad, the ever-present Israel/Palestine issue, issues with power (oil etc)....interesting times ahead, for sure...

i agree, i mean bush was given two terms with all of his fuckups and obama has barely made it to inauguration and is being accused of going against his whole platform and votes
let the man be president for a bit before you judge him. and he may have promised change but its not like overnight america will become a socialist commune of beauty and freedom... this shit takes time

[acousticrock87]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

Isn't that slightly different though? I believe that once the war had begun, the coalition forces were obliged to see it through to the end. I still believe the war was a mistake but think it would be even more disastrous for Iraq were it now to be left in limbo. It isn't so much denying a mistake has been made as taking responsibility for it.

You may be right. But it does seem to me that our presence is the reason it's so bad. Then again, my argument for this is, "I saw a documentary or something." I generally don't discuss the war because it's such a difficult thing to understand from a distance, but it does appear--at least up to a few years ago--that we were not holding the nation together so much as just pissing off one side even more.

I'm very open regarding this, though, because again, my opinion on it is not based on much. Misinformation is a bitch, and I hardly trust my sources.

[Lethrneck4]

Originally Posted by samuel

Lethrneck's posts are wayyy more interesting than the 100,000+ posts against Bush. Just saying.

wow, funny thing is with all my rare posts, i get a few people to actually think...the rest i just enrage like that dopey !@#$%. if youve read all his posts over the years..its easy to see he is a very lonely, bitter person, who uses delusions like "i dont need TV" or "im better cause im a left winger" or just being as anti everything as possible, to try to make himself seem more than the utter failure in real life he is.

he probably only listens to Sonic Youth for indie cred...i bet he wears the thick black plastic glasses and anti bush shirts...he tries to get attention, all he does is get laughed at. haha

again, thank you to the sensilbe people here...and PBradley, you are the one blindly calling me a neo con...obama has some ideas that seem very good..and socialism has its pros and cons, like any political philosophy

this board just blatanly leans 1 way and loves to stereotype those who dont fall into place...like the sheep they are. i salute all those who gave responses not based on anger or stereotypes, but based on what you truly believe.

thank you....and good night, hehe

[acousticrock87]

Originally Posted by Lethrneck4

this board just blatanly leans 1 way

There's a reason for that.

why do you keep on replying to his posts?

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by Lethrneck4

should a president elect who is all about change like obama, be spending over $30 million on an inauguration when a lot of americans cant afford to pay their bills or feed thier kids? arent these the people who obama swore to take care of? just another liar who, now that he is in office..will forget all he promised. you can call me a republican, conservative, troublemaker, whatever.

but i think i make a valid point

DISCUSS...and lets see what i get more of...insults..or valid reponses

When you consider that inaugurations happen once every 4 or 8 years, and that pretty much anyone in the country is invited to come gather and watch, and that security must be maintained not just for the inaugurated and his family but for every single other dignitary and politician that will be there, 30 million sounds like a bargain!!!!!

[acousticrock87]

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

why do you keep on replying to his posts?

I don't know. I am flawed.

[Glice]

It always surprises me when politicians don't read my mind and follow my ideas, whether I vote for them or not. Ungrateful bastards.

I spent $30 on blowjobs last year. Maybe Obama should just get a million of those from the American troops.