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02.24.2009, 06:04 AM | #23 | |
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artists will survive, it's just a matter of waiting it out. There is no difference between any type of employment when an economy is in recession. Less opportunity for everyone and less market growth means less money to go around and people will consume less because of it. Whether they buy less art or buy less ... anything. Government spending wont touch the arts and will pull massive dollars where they can, with budgets already blown out to extremes. The swing voters who are responsible for my own current government will not dig the idea of schools roads and medic losing out at the expense of arts funding, especially so when they don't have a job anymore. With interdiscipline studies though I do believe there is a lot of opportunity now, especially for cross study and employment for visual arts mixed with applied science streams. I was going to post a couple of relevant articles but there are so many. Google if it interests you. There is a lot in the way of genetics, mathematics, engineering, computer science... Both visual artists and scientists share a passion for innovation, explanation, and clarity of concept.
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02.24.2009, 08:57 AM | #25 | |
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i agree with interdiscipline studies when it's something like this, or if you're sending art students out to do social work or something like that. proper philosophy classes wouldn't go amiss, but then that might show up the art tutors as charlatans when the students realise the tutors just talk out of their arses about deleuze & co. and now i'm going to grind my axe: i'm not really fond of state funding for artists, i think that funding for large galleries & collections that are open to the public is good and proper, what i don't agree with is setting aside public money to be used in grants which can be applied for by artists to fund their little performance piece or whatever, i don't think it's in the public's interest to fund some crappy little thing that nobody is ever going to see (or like)*. needless to say this opinion was not popular amongst my peer group at art school. i think the same people in favour of public money for artists are opposed to government bailing out the banks, but i'm not sure if i can see a difference, i.e. both are seemingly incapable of keeping themselves solvent without needing handouts, what do you all think? *it would be nice if there was some kind of nationalised system for everyone to get free money to persue their hobby, but until then i don't think it's fair to give money to some and not to others when it could be spent on something more beneficial to the public at large (health care for example). something that really disgusts me is seeing people who've tried to get funding or grants behave ungraciously when they don't make the cut, as if they are entitled to swan about and indulge themselves at the expense of the taxpayer. |
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I make art no one wants to buy it people look at it, do not instantly "get it" and move on. People who I give my art to as gifts tell me how it takes time with uit, but one day, it HITS THEM. they see the shit I put in it. It is hard to make art for sale. it creates cheap bullshit art. art for the moment and the living room couch, but not for ART. the art worls right now is fucking tedious and horrible, and it will take a large shake-up to make a new splash. Looking through artnews, and artforum, and art in america, and all those magazines, I see sterile dead modern work, lifeless bullshit with no joy I see the old masters and the old classivc paintings and they revel in the joy of life, even insanity like dekooning is exuberant and defient. art now seems to be just another product to sell, just another product to tailor to the tastest and whims of some fuck looking for status symbols. while it has always been this way to some extent, it seems pervasive now. it will all change though. the new breed will erasde the bukllsit of this time, and kill their idols.
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you mean like, paintings and stuff?
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02.24.2009, 10:16 AM | #28 | |
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i came across a good magazine recently, it's called hi-fructose. plus there's paul lafolley, who i think in years to come will be regarded in the same light as the old masters (maybe) http://www.hifructose.com/ http://laffoley.com/ |
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cool looking stuff.
I wonder if the high insanity that pervades the underground art worls will ever cross over to the Fine Art world? It will take time.
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exactly. the deep recession might actually help with that. i think having too much mone slushing around might encourage pandering to the corporate dog. Quote:
right-- as a matter of fact, government help might be a good things for artists at this point. during the great depression, roosevelt created the WPA (works progress administration) which gave artists work in public projects-- they helped paint murals, make furniture, and work in post offices, schools, courthouses, and all manner of public buildings. many great artists came out of that era-- they supported writers, they collected oral histories, they supported plays and public theatre, adult education, etc etc. a lot of great artists were helped by the wpa-- jackson pollok, dekooning, rothko, eugene o'neill, john cheever, eudora welty, saul bellow, etc. i don't know if the federal writer's project was a part of the wpa but yeah, there was a lot of government support. this is also kind of in response to your posts and suchfriend's above. by the way, the stimulus package kept a nice chunk of dough for the NEA (national endowment for the arts). hurray. Quote:
in the long term art tends to appreciate quite well, but i think the problem is that with too much real estate bubble cash looking for a place to be spent, the art world might have enjoyed a bit of a bubble itself in recent years, supporting artificially prosperous lifestyles for too many artists. that's going to change, and as the article says, a lot of people are going to have to find a day job. |
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i dont know that you take any more academic classes once you go into an mfa. that;s why the quote follows thus: Why not build into your graduate program a work-study semester that takes students out of the art world entirely and places them in hospitals, schools and prisons, sometimes in-extremis environments, i.e. real life? My guess is that if you did, American art would look very different than it does today. ---- Quote:
well especially now, no it won't be more commercial-- cheeto's mortal enemy is probably shitting himself as we speak Quote:
yes, that's exactly what the writer of that article is saying though. i didn't read cynicism into it-- i read a sort of relief that the corporate hounddogs will keep their filthy paws off the art world for a while, and that having a salutary effect on the art world and art itself, with artist being forced our of the incestuous bubble of the corporate-supplied "art world" i.e.- Every year art schools across the country spit out thousands of groomed-for-success graduates, whose job it is to supply galleries and auction houses with desirable retail. They are backed up by cadres of public relations specialists — otherwise known as critics, curators, editors, publishers and career theorists — who provide timely updates on what desirable means. Many of those specialists are, directly or indirectly, on the industry payroll, which is controlled by another set of personnel: the dealers, brokers, advisers, financiers, lawyers and — crucial in the era of art fairs — event planners who represent the industry’s marketing and sales division. They are the people who scan school rosters, pick off fresh talent, direct careers and, by some inscrutable calculus, determine what will sell for what. That, he's saying, is ended, and we can hope for a return of "art that matters". where will tracy emin find her dough now? hmmmm... |
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art schools, at least whe I was involved in them and studying, did very little to prepare artists for the business end of the art world. TRhey prepared you for critiques, in focusing what you want to do, and in experimentation, but nothing at all about how to sell your art, or even how to get it seen. I graduated 1997, so I guess the art school's focus has changed maybe.
bt there wa sso much BULLSHIT as well.
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I'm in favour of a limited and highly rationalised funding of the arts but I absolutely agree with you about much of the art world's sheer level of expectancy when it comes to receiving such funding. I know a number of people who occupy the title of 'artist' but who spend considerably more time securing grants than they do actually creating something in the studio. And the tantrums I've witnessed when one of their claims has been rejected are quite unbelievable. A lot of these people really do need to be asked a very straightforward question: what exactly is it that you do? |
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scientists and artists and researchers and all sorts of people have to suck a lot of ass to get grants and to ensure fuinding for their art.
I am all for giovernmental funding of the arts, I just do not know how they make a determination. I am down with the suggestion above that government (the people) support arts organizations thereby allowing those organizations to make their own decisions as to whom to support in doling out money, BUT, this is the same process they used in the 80's and which the reactionary assholes used to nearly demolish th NEA, because they gave money to art musuems that then exhibited mapplethorpe images, and it all went to shit. stupid fuckers. beauty lies in the eye. why does the chick in your sig with the arrows pointed at her have a sweaty crotch?
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Most of this board's opinions on art make me feel queasy. This is all.
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I can't wait for the art world to fall apart. Only then we'll be able to tell the true charlatans from those who have the balls to stay. And it will be great when the (art) world will finally realise that Brian Sewell was right all along, wether one likes his personality or not. There has been so much money wasted on the 'arts', so much useless talk, that it will be refreshing to see something that is not an urgent necessity for so many people taking a step back and fight its corner. YAY! |
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maybe in the UK, but the US's National Endowment for the arts funding is around $0.35 per person per year. that is MININAL spending.
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I wouldn't take things like that for granted in the current economical climate. It might be here today, there's no guarantee it will be there tomorrow, or for much longer. |
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