[Dr. Eugene Felikson]

LaVey has said many times that he wanted to found a religion that was based on indulgence, rather than abstinence. Satanism is about putting yourself first, and holding an eye-for-an-eye mentality. Satanists take advantage of the world around them, as efficiently as possible, to best suit their needs and desires.

[floatingslowly]

I think that if Anton LaVay were still alive today, you people would dismiss him as the pseudo-gothic marilyn manson fan that he would surely be.

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson

Satanists take advantage of the world around them, as efficiently as possible, to best suit their needs and desires.

Yeah, fuck the environment! And other people are just stepping stones!

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by gualbert

Isn't 'atheism' enough?
Or are you against people who believe there is a god?

I am against the concept of theism.

[Dr. Eugene Felikson]

Originally Posted by pbradley

Yeah, fuck the environment! And other people are just stepping stones!

Not exactly...

The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth

by Anton Szandor LaVey©1967

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9. Do not harm little children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

[gualbert]

ok.
I believe there is a god, and that he is not a concept.

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson

Not exactly...

The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth

by Anton Szandor LaVey©1967

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9. Do not harm little children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

All the above with anti-self weakness, aka Christian virtues.

Do Satanists really caveat apologize as much as their Christian brothers?

[Derek]

if he does not stop, destroy him.

[deflinus]

"hey dude, if you don't stop. i will destroy you. just letting you know"

[Derek]

hahaha.

though honestly, the rest does make more sense.

[yesca]

http://www.churchofsatan.com

[greedrex]

Originally Posted by deflinus

"hey dude, if you don't stop. i will destroy you. just letting you know"

buwahahahahaha

[Rob Instigator]

I vill break you

 

[Glice]

Originally Posted by Anton 'Levite' LaVey

1. Stupidity—The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.
2. Pretentiousness—Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn’t applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone’s made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.[/url] (from the nine Satanic sins)

Interestingly, I would suggest that anyone railing against stupidity must, eo ipso, be pretentious.

I don't have any problems with how people describe their religious beliefs. Well, I say that, the number of people who describe themselves as Buddhist without the faintest fucking idea of what that religion's about make my blood boil - interestingly, you don't get so many people saying the same for Ba'hai or Sikhism, both of which are far closer to the projected naive-Westerner understanding of Buddhism. Anyway, I don't, in theory, have a problem with people wanting to believe in things. But someone 'believing' in Satanism, as pbradley suggests, always strikes me as the ad hominem of religious belief. I understand a lot of people get burnt on Christianity, but these people mostly end up abiding by the core ethical epistemic of monotheism while rejecting the corporeal manifestations of same (Israel's foreign policy, so-called Sharia law, the Papacy).

It's not dissimilar to listening to Bob Marley and deciding you're a rasta - as a certain poster here has doubtless shown, there's a fuckload more to it than just weed and reggae.

[Dr. Eugene Felikson]

Just to stir up more discussion...

The Nine Satanic Statements

from The Satanic Bible, ©1969

by Anton Szandor LaVey

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!

The Nine Satanic Sins

by Anton Szandor LaVey ©1987

1. Stupidity—The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.
2. Pretentiousness—Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn’t applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone’s made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.
3. Solipsism—Can be very dangerous for Satanists. Projecting your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They won’t. Instead, Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of “Do unto others as they do unto you.” It’s work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point.
4. Self-deceit—It’s in the “Nine Satanic Statements” but deserves to be repeated here. Another cardinal sin. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when it’s fun, and with awareness. But then, it’s not self-deceit!
5. Herd Conformity—That’s obvious from a Satanic stance. It’s all right to conform to a person’s wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.
6. Lack of Perspective—Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain for a Satanist. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraints—know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.
7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies—Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something new and different, when in reality it’s something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the creator and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.
8. Counterproductive Pride—That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when you’ve painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, I’m sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow, then do it.
9. Lack of Aesthetics—This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. Aesthetics is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any money off classical standards of beauty and form most of the time so they are discouraged in a consumer society, but an eye for beauty, for balance, is an essential Satanic tool and must be applied for greatest magical effectiveness. It’s not what’s supposed to be pleasing—it’s what is. Aesthetics is a personal thing, reflective of one’s own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.

[tesla69]

its bullshit, think for yourself

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by tesla69

its bullshit, think for yourself

that's exactly laVey's point

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

I've become really interested in Satanism lately. I'd read the Satanic Bible a long time ago and I loved it, I agreed with most of it, but I didn't know how I felt about becoming a practicing Satanist. I've long considered myself as an Agnostic Theist, but I've recently been thinking of "converting" my beliefs to that of a LaVeyan Satanist.

Anyway, just curious if anyone here is into that stuff. Please don't turn this into a big debate about religion, since most of its bullshit. Please don't question my beliefs. I am just curious who else considers themselves a satanist.

And you're trying to be a nicer person too? Who are you, really?

Wait, the internet. Innit?

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by Derek

if he does not stop, destroy him.

 

 

Satanism, indeed.