[demonrail666]

moronic, possibly. can't say i'm getting the llama thing though.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

moronic, possibly. can't say i'm getting the llama thing though.

bitch has a kinda snout. it's subtle, but it's there, and it comes into focus when you are aware of the stupidity of her little brain.

[looking glass spectacle]

as a child:

Show Me!: A Picture Bok of Sex for Children and Parents

 

as an adult:

The End of Architecture?: Documents and Manifestos : Vienna Architecture Conference

 

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

bitch has a kinda snout. it's subtle, but it's there, and it comes into focus when you are aware of the stupidity of her little brain.

moronic realism, maybe?

[looking glass spectacle]

honestly, though... as adult it's still mostly that first book...

[floatingslowly]

as I don't read much non-fiction, I had to spend a long time thinking about this.

10 years ago, I read this:

 

10 years later, I fear my constant rantings about it on the internet may have caused a backlash.

I'm sorry people, all of the seats are taken.

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by looking glass spectacle

honestly, though... as adult it's still mostly that first book...

i only hope you're careful where you read it

[Rob Instigator]

 

[Satan]

 

[samuel]

I'm required to read "An Inconvenient Truth" over my Thanksgiving break. It's sure to be a winner!

[Dead-Air]

I'm going to admit my shallowness and say Please Kill Me by Legs McNeil and Gillian McCain.

[Satan]

i love legs' book about the porno industry, "the other hollywood"

[noisereductions]

9/10 books I read are non-fiction. So I have no fucking idea.

[!@#$%!]

for the record: if anyone here claims "the bible" as a non-fiction book, they'll get a slap from me for the crime of functional illiteracy.

[automatic bzooty]

Originally Posted by Dead-Air

I'm going to admit my shallowness and say Please Kill Me by Legs McNeil and Gillian McCain.

yeah. that might not be THE one for me, but it's definitely up there.

[alteredcourse]

The Perfect Victim by christine mcguire
The Selfish Gene and The God Delusion by richard dawkins

I hesitate posting here because I figure I should be able to come up with expressions on how they impacted me to be able to properly say they impacted me at all rather than just limply list names, but I cant really find the words right now, all I know is that they did.

[notyourfiend]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

I just looked up the Icarus Project and it does seem really interesting.

I think there were definitely similarities between Foucault's and Laing's positions. In many ways I think they were French and British equivalents of one another - at least with regards issues of mental illness. Guattari is the other really fascinating one, I think. He tends to get a bit sidelined by some people, who seem to see him as little more than Robin to Deleuze's Batman, but the stuff he wrote by himself on the anti-psychiatry movement is quite brilliant.

Yes, there are certainly many similarities. A major difference is the way in which they conduct their research - Foucault, of course, is all about histories, discovering how systems came to be a transform, how power is created etc. whereas Laing focuses primarily on lived in experiences. In some ways, I think that they both really complement each other.

I have never read Guattari. Which of his works would you recommended?

[notyourfiend]

Oh, here's another one - Theater and It's Double

[ni'k]

Originally Posted by notyourfiend

Demonrail - I actually initially majored in psychology because my goal was to somehow work in the anti-psychiatry field. I wanted to do human rights law or community organizing. The college I went to had a strong humanistic psychology program and even offered a Laing seminar. I am somewhat involved with the Icarus Project - some stuff I did is being sold this weekend at their fundraiser in NYC. Are you familiar with the Icarus Project? They are less political and more discussion/outreach based.

I've never read The Divided Self specifically but my gf/many of my other friends have. My gf did some very intensive independent work on his material. I never got as involved because the professor who was an expert on his work started hating me after she found out that I was reading Foucualt. She was hyper-critical about anything remotely post-modern and distributed by Foucault's proposal of our notions of the soul being something that is construction. I'm pretty sure that she read his work as claiming that there is no such thing as a soul which is inaccurate. Laing apparently tried to approach Foucault because he felt their work was similar (analysises of madness and such) but Foucault claimed that they were nothing alike.

Anywho, if I go back to grad school for something academic, I want to study the intersections between science, normalization, micropolitics and gender. How pretentious is that?

happily suprised to see laing mentioned. bought the divided self in a charity shop on a whim and started reading it on the way home on the train. had a moment of terrifying epiphany. when i was an inpatient i was disappointed that none of the staff had read him. it was my impression that he has been basically ignored by the contemporary mental health service so it's encouraging to see some people are still studying him. there is a channel 4 documentary on him in his later years, i had a torrent of it once, he demonstrates a few techniques that didn't impress me and made me wonder how much fidelity he still held to his 60's ideals at that point. there is also the film asylum which is a documentary filmed in one of his experimental communes were the doctors and patients lived amongst each other. anyway since the divided self and politics of experience have already been mentioned i'll choose sanity madness and the family. its essential laing. one of the most unsettling and disturbing books i've ever read. there are about 10 families who each get a chapter comprised of interviews and historys of the child that has been having the problems. what you are basically reading are accounts of families mystifying thier kids into pyschosis. The kid is being manipulated into having to deny thier own perceptions of reality as false. the parents seem only to dimly realise what they are doing. If you haven't already read it you should definitly pick it up demonrail.

[amerikangod]

The Bible.

If it wasn't incredibly apparent. It bleeds through into most of my posts.