[evollove]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

as far as "gawd" goes, it is irrelevant.

I'm just saying, this stuff is merely interesting, and won't really unravel the really huge questions, such as

Originally Posted by tesla69

None of these theories answer what I believe is the more important question, how did awareness/consciousness form.

Which is a whopper of a question. I can't even imagine how one could investigate this. Sorry Rob I, but consciousness is more of a mystery (and a more important one) than whether we came from here or there. This thread makes for good awe-inducement and imagination-reeling, but neurology is really mind-blowing haha.

Anyway, I didn't mean "God" in any theological sense. Man I hate that word. We need a new one. And I think consciousness and "God" are somehow related, but that's just a hunch.

PS- I'm high.

[Rob Instigator]

I think that there is no answer to the question "where did we come from?" that would satisfy people who are just in love with the mystery of it, as opposed to actually trying to get an answer to their plea.

The "answer" would either be to prosaic, or too boring, or too meaningless.

I would venture to say that humans are the only life forms on this planet that ask the question WHY? about anything. Maybe that is why all the ancient religions stipulate that questioning "god" is a bad thing? It just brings suffering.

[EVOLghost]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

The "answer" would either be to prosaic, or too boring, or too meaningless.

I would venture to say that humans are the only life forms on this planet that ask the question WHY? about anything. Maybe that is why all the ancient religions stipulate that questioning "god" is a bad thing? It just brings suffering.

First part....QFT.


This is good. Asking why and having the most meaningless answer sounds...really....depressing. GOd answers that question(in tha past at least). Now...with all this knowledge we really don't need to rely on this "God" for answering 'Why?'. I don't think God ISN'T real(I'm not saying anything because I don't know)....just perhaps in an unconcious form.

[dead_battery]

there is no god.

the reason so many of you are obsessed with a where and why of creation is because you were born in the west and so have metaphysical questions framed through the lense of creationism.

it is in fact the case that there need be no beginning nor end to the universe because this is more coherent than the frankly stupid and insane question of 'who or what created it' because once you have decided who created it you have to decide who created the creator and it goes on in an infinite regress of dickwittedness.

think of it as a perfect mandala lacking centre or edge, or the infinite depths of a fractal.

there is also no reason to take seriously the culturally enforced phobia to a continuum between the organic and inorganic, or consciousness and non consciousness.

we are not special and the universe does not need us and no amount of belief, delusion or idealistic crap will surpass that fact.

[Rob Instigator]

"consciousness" could very well be the universe's way of understanding itself.

[evollove]

Originally Posted by dead_battery

there is no god.

the reason so many of you are obsessed with a where and why of creation is because you were born in the west and so have metaphysical questions framed through the lense of creationism.

No, you're just looking at it through a dimly understood "Eastern" lens.

[dead_battery]

Originally Posted by foreverasskiss

hogwash!!!!

if the universe doesn't need us then why did it create us(humans)? i'll tell you why?!?!.................to marvel at it's own beauty. GOD is one narcissistic, vanity motherfucker!!!!

how's that for idealistic crap.

i don't think of GOD as in something that created 'us', but rather a GOD that created 'itself'.

fine you're still wrong.

[dead_battery]

Originally Posted by evollove

No, you're just looking at it through a dimly understood "Eastern" lens.

funny how those eastern metaphysics match up so well to modern quantum physics and science, you know, the stuff that has turned your monotheism into an obsolete zombie that doesn't know its dead.

give it a few hundred years and christianity will be extinct.

[EVOLghost]

I want Gods load on my face.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by EVOLghost

I want Gods load on my face.

you mean amerikangod yes?

[EVOLghost]

Oh...we're talking about amerikkangod? Fuck, I want more than just his load.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by EVOLghost

Oh...we're talking about amerikkangod? Fuck, I want more than just his load.

okay then, the whole flauta. load included

[tesla69]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

am I becoming a deist? I'd be in good company!

Maybe the problem is confusing 'diety' with 'creator'.

Have you ever read Protector by Larry Niven? I'd suggest hitting your local used bookstore now and getting.

Our collective imagination is just so limited...Niven provides an alternative I quite like.

[Rob Instigator]

DEISM is the belief that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of God, accompanied with the rejection of revelation and authority as a source of religious knowledge.

Nahh, that's not me either.

[Rob Instigator]

Protector. will check it out of the library where I work. yeah! free access to books damnit!

[Rob Instigator]

I think that is the hidden "mystery" of all the mystery cults, and of all the religions, and it is shared to a very select Elite. we, all of us, every single human being on the planet, has the ability to BE GOD. Our observations create the universe we observe.

"Revolting cocks are god! / I am the creator / Beers, steers, and queers / Cowboy"

[dead_battery]

Originally Posted by foreverasskiss

ok, you don't believe in GOD? fine. fuck the ideological rules of GOD or the metaphysical arguments about the whole thing. but,

say, if something came from nothing then could've GOD come from nothing too? makes perfect sense to me. why couldn't there be a GOD without a universe? of course, none of us know this, but if it created us in the image of itself or what it wanted to be then it must be true. or not.

there's just as much reason to say there is no other intellegent species besides us in the cosmos than to say there is.

if we are the only ones, then think of it like this...........what's the point of having all those other planets that are inhospitable and uninhabitable circling around stars? that makes just as much sense as having all those sperm cells in yr balls and only that lucky one does the trick.

maybe we are the lucky ones orbiting around the sun taking things for granted and not giving a fuck.

in other words, when GOD blew his load.........he really fucking BLEW HIS LOAD all over yr face. hehe.

I already explained. There is no distinction between something and nothing. They are part of a continuum. This makes perfect intuitive sense, the reason you don't get it is because you come from a christian culture that, due to its psychosis, inserts a big fat anthropomorphic compensation fantasy and subtly indoctrinates you into believe in creation, not just from god but of the self as well.

Then that stuff about there being a "point" to all those uninhabited planets is just idiotic.

The universe does not revolve around us. It does not exist FOR us. We have no 'natural' place in it. We have no reason for being in it. It is utterly indifferent to us.

External reality is not a manifestation of our narcissism.

[dale_gribble]

Originally Posted by dead_battery

We have no 'natural' place in it. We have no reason for being in it.

EXACTLY. the sooner the human race is wiped off the surface of this planet the better.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by dale_gribble

EXACTLY. the sooner the human race is wiped off the surface of this planet the better.

wipe off yourself, fucker. cities are fun. good pizza too. and music. damn your silly wishes.

ps- dead battery was not saying what you're saying. just because there is no cosmic "reason" for us to be here it doesn't follow that there is no value in life. god is a crutch, but without a crutch we don't need to limp and die-- we can in fact run. and make good pizza, and anything we want.

[dale_gribble]

hahaha, i quoted his post in a way a religious extremist would quote a holy text. but only in good fun, i wouldn't really want to destroy the human race.