[Satan]

nah, you guys are alright.

[knox]

Originally Posted by pbradley

I must add that I have seen far worse comments made against women elsewhere on the internet. I've neglecting to mention it because I don't think that excuses what excesses there've been on here but at least nobody is spewing rubbish about women using rape accusations to maliciously destroy innocent mens' lives. I seen a lot of that garbage on sites far more popular than SYG.

more popular = more shit?

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by pbradley

I must add that I have seen far worse comments made against women elsewhere on the internet. I've neglecting to mention it because I don't think that excuses what excesses there've been on here but at least nobody is spewing rubbish about women using rape accusations to maliciously destroy innocent mens' lives. I seen a lot of that garbage on sites far more popular than SYG.

You saying this DOESN'T happen?

because I have seen it first hand, TWICE, years apart, where a girl/woman accuses someone of forcing themselves on them when in fact they were cheating on their boyfriend's with said fella, and just made up the shit to cover their asses.
the first time, the poor guy got arrested and expelled from University of Houston alll before she finally admitted she was lying. Can you imagine? watch where you dip yr wicks fellas!

[DeadDiscoDildo]

Yeah that happens for sure, and it's always by cheating girls.

I was at a party when I saw my friend making out with this chick that everyone knew, and she was grabbing on him and shit and then they dissapeared for awhile and both came back to the party smiling.

Duh

right?

except she tried to tell her boyfriend at the time that he raped her...ha.

She didnt try to go to the cops or anything and they dont talk anymore.

fucked up.

[!@#$%!]

so knox, a question for you-- in the other thread you complained that your ex bf liked to jerk off listening to kim gordon's songs

i know you answer withhow he would filter out the content of kim's lyrics etc, but here's my question

1) do you deny men the right to wank as they please?

2) aren't we allowed to have our choice of soundtrack, lighting, bedding, curtains, etc?

[edit] 3) was the dude in question a native english speaker? or non-native? [/edit]

i know i asked you flippantly about having a spank bank (ha), but seriously, is there anything intrinsically wrong with this? because i feel oppressed. well, not really, but why would you deny anyone their sexual freedom if they are not harming anyone? 'splain...

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oops-- sorry, it was in this thread, but i meant to post it in the "aren't you ashamed of the way you view men" thread

[ni'k]

theres a article in the new statesman

Popular culture fosters the delusion that violence against women is edgy art rather than daily reality. This week, as the bodies of murder victims in Bradford and Brighton are picked over by the courts, cinemas, magazines and catwalks are teeming with glossy images of the rape, battery and dismemberment of pretty young ladies who appear artfully complicit in their abuse.
Michael Winterbottom's new two-hour murder-porn epic, The Killer Inside Me, hits cinemas next week, and advance reviews have already carried gushing descriptions of its graphic denoument, in which Casey Affleck's sheriff Lou Ford (pictured above) beats his lover to death with his bare fists, whispering how sorry he is over the sound of crunching facial bones. How terribly edgy.
Apologists for this type of thoughtless sexualised violence have described The Killer Inside Me as iconoclastic and challenging.
The photographer Tyler Shields responded with similar righteous indignation to criticisms of his latest series of stills, which feature a bestockinged Lindsay Lohan covered in blood and flashing bedroom eyes at the muzzle of a gun. Shields and Lohan defended the shots as art, but they look suspiciously like bland, mass-market, coffee-table misogyny of the type you can buy at Urban Outfitters for a fiver.
Art can shock in all sorts of valuable ways, sometimes by reflecting real life and sometimes by conjuring uncomfortable fantasy. But art that tries to get a reaction by dressing everyday misogynist brutality in a lacy thong and sexy lighting has lost its utility as social commentary.
The whole discourse is a lazy fallback, a stand-in for authentic subversion when creatives can't be bothered to do anything new.
After even the screechy million-dollar engineered catfight America's Next Top Model has featured a high-profile fashion shoot of young girls posing as murder victims, representations of violence against women can no longer be considered iconoclastic. They are consummately mainstream.
The relentlessness of these images normalises sexual violence, fashioning kinky little set pieces out of the abuse of women on an industrial scale.
Also in cinemas this week is Robert Cavanah's Pimp, a juddering fairground ride of beatings and buggery whose sharp-suited, snarling hero deals out disciplinary rapes and executions with a flick of a prop-box cane. The protagonist is played without a shred of irony by Danny Dyer, in whose name a column appeared in last month's Zoo blithely advising a reader to cut his ex-girlfriend's face "so no one will want her".
Meanwhile, yesterday's Telegraph carried the following headlines: "Woman and son murdered in Derbyshire village"; "Remains of second prostitute found"; "Spanish imam's 'prostitute jihad' ". The paper couldn't even find space to mention the ongoing trial of the man accused of killing Andrea Waddell, who was found strangled and burned in her Brighton flat last year.
"Seeing these stories listed together is so upsetting -- especially as in two cases they didn't refer to the victims as women or as human beings," said Laurie Olivia of the London Feminist Network. "Sometimes I wonder how we will ever get on top of this. I can't believe people say there is no need for feminism and that we have equality."
The press has taken pains to describe Waddell, Susan Armitage and other recent victims of sexual violence as "prostitutes", implying that the fact these women sold sex legitimises or explains the attacks. This is a profoundly internalised prejudice.
Jessica Alba, who plays a murdered sex worker in The Killer Inside Me, told the Sunday Times that she felt her character "had a death wish, because she was always egging [the killer] on or provoking him". The message is clear: women secretly want to be brutalised in naughty lingerie, especially if they are involved in the sex trade.
There is nothing edgy or iconoclastic about violence against women: it is a daily feature of the lives of ordinary people, including those who do not happen to be models or film stars.
Films like The Killer Inside Me are part of a weary language of blithe, murderous complicity that is deeply encoded in the overculture. That language is not edgy. It's not exciting. It's poor taste, pure and simple.


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she makes a few good points. all those examples plus the mysogyny and crap thats been on the board lately, it almost makes you think there is some sort of wider cultural change in the way the concept of woman is seen at the moment.

[hevusa]

Originally Posted by DeadDiscoDildo

except she tried to tell her boyfriend at the time that he raped her...ha.

She didnt try to go to the cops or anything and they dont talk anymore.

fucked up.

fucked up indeed

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle554070.ece

[hevusa]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

but why would you deny anyone their sexual freedom if they are not harming anyone? 'splain...

Because being a "feminist" is fucking bullshit that turns you into a sexist, hypocritical, idealist little goody two shoes.

[ni'k]

some of those fathers mentioned need a slap in the face. so fucking what if it wasn't your sperm. it's a child. its never "yours" as if its your property or something. what is the big deal? are you narcissitic about your particular genes? thats stupid vanity, and it shouldn't be respected. you should be happy to have the chance to take care of it. it says that "it can lead to domestic violence". that's pathetic.

[!@#$%!]

for those of you interested in a really fucked up journalistic report on violence against women in on of the usa's most impoverished communities, check this out:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/152928/van...he-reservation

watched it yesterday. if it doesn't piss you off and make you shudder...

not sure it will stream to limeyland, but you can try.

[hevusa]

Fuck that... I'm not raising some dickheads little snot machine.

[ni'k]

Originally Posted by hevusa

Because being a "feminist" is fucking bullshit that turns you into a sexist, hypocritical, idealist little goody two shoes.

whatever the fuck you turned into is worse than the greatest misconception of feminism your brain could ever conjure. stupidest thing posted so far in this thread, and thats quite an accomplishment, considering the tight competition on this page alone.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by hevusa

Because being a "feminist" is fucking bullshit that turns you into a sexist, hypocritical, idealist little goody two shoes.

sorry, i'm not going to side with that.

besides, i'm tired of everyone trying to answer for somebody else, so i'll wait for knox. and the question is not bait, for the record.

[SONIC GAIL]

Originally Posted by ni'k

must spread rep to knox etc.

and by the way, the board used to have a LOT more females posting than it does now.

I noticed that too. It seems as though the girls have taken off to somewhere else. I thought maybe it is the time of day i come on here.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by SONIC GAIL

I noticed that too. It seems as though the girls have taken off to somewhere else. I thought maybe it is the time of day i come on here.

the board used to have a lot more people posting, period. sure there were lots more women; however, i'm not sure the female/male ratio has changed-- it's more like the population has diminished altogether. this board used to move up 5 pages a day now you're lucky if 1/2 page of new content is created. and i'm not talking about charles webster baer threads.

[wellcharge]

not only women bring up the fake rape cases

it happened to me after record store day, i pick up my hits are for squares 2xlp off the shelf and am immediately introduced to a guy named rob who says he'll do anything or anyone to help his sonic youth collection.normally i'm not interested in males but he was holding a magazine that had me quite aroused called "big latin azz" and i thought to myself that he had a big latin azz himself. i was an absolute gentlemen with him the whole evening and took him to el pollo loco. 2 days later i'm at the police station because apparently he's instigated sexual assault charges against me

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by wellcharge

not only women bring up the fake rape cases

it happened to me after record store day, i pick up my hits are for squares 2xlp off the shelf and am immediately introduced to a guy named rob who says he'll do anything or anyone to help his sonic youth collection.normally i'm not interested in males but he was holding a magazine that had me quite aroused called "big latin azz" and i thought to myself that he had a big latin azz himself. i was an absolute gentlemen with him the whole evening and took him to el pollo loco. 2 days later i'm at the police station because apparently he's instigated sexual assault charges against me

it took me a minute to realize this was a fiction and then i couldn't stop laughing

[knox]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

so knox, a question for you-- in the other thread you complained that your ex bf liked to jerk off listening to kim gordon's songs

i know you answer withhow he would filter out the content of kim's lyrics etc, but here's my question

1) do you deny men the right to wank as they please?

2) aren't we allowed to have our choice of soundtrack, lighting, bedding, curtains, etc?

[edit] 3) was the dude in question a native english speaker? or non-native? [/edit]

i know i asked you flippantly about having a spank bank (ha), but seriously, is there anything intrinsically wrong with this? because i feel oppressed. well, not really, but why would you deny anyone their sexual freedom if they are not harming anyone? 'splain...

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oops-- sorry, it was in this thread, but i meant to post it in the "aren't you ashamed of the way you view men" thread

God. It was a joke.
FFS.

nobody is trying to take your wank time from you, chill.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by knox

God. It was a joke.
FFS.

it was a joke? you really sounded serious-- pissed off even.

Originally Posted by knox

All this bullshit discussion is something I would expect from any bullshit workspace filled with mediocre people. I guess I'm too naive to think Sonic Youth fans would be different.

I don't know why. I had this boyfriend once who was a Sonic Youth fan. I once told him as a teenager I would listen to Kim Gordon's songs and go like yeah yeah I relate to this message and then he said I listened to her songs too, just so I could jerk off to her voice.

I should have known back then.

"oh, i get it, ha ha ha"?

ok, whatever.

Originally Posted by knox

nobody is trying to take your wank time from you, chill.

i didn't feel that was against me personally or that you'd have any control, though i was puzzled about your attitude towards your purported ex.

[gualbert]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

sure there were lots more women; however, i'm not sure the female/male ratio has changed--

Maybe you think boarders are male by default.
I do it, but I can't help it (and then later, I'm surprised that some of them are female, like Nefeli noticed).