[PAULYBEE2656]

my wife has been vegetairan (not vegan- completely different) all her life. why? cuz she cant stand the texture of meat. it turns her stomach. and she doesnt eat fish. if you claim to be a vegetarian and you eat fish you are only deluding yrself. jelly/jello is in there too, that is a meat product too!!!
vegetarians do not eat any meat of any animal fish foul or beast, vegans are the complete nutbags (literally) i couldnt live like that at all, it must be hard. mind you, i cant do without quality cooked meat on a daily basis.....

ps. i didnt read thread so sorry if what i said has been covered....

[PAULYBEE2656]

now ive looked above and yr talking about wagner?????

[jon boy]

Originally Posted by noumenal

Why?

I know you're probably really tired of answering this question, but I'm curious. There are so many different justifications.

Do you need a justification? I don't know.

Personally, I can't think of a good reason. I recently read an article by Roger Scruton about why people are vegetarians. Had to do with the lack of piety surrounding meat-eating in the modern world. People no longer say thanks to the animal (like Native Americans in the movies) after killing them. People no longer engage in the kind of community rituals (even just sittinng around the table with family) that used to surround meat-eating. They just stuff Big Macs down their gullet while sitting alone in their car. So, vegetarians are supplanting artificial restrictions in order to satisfy this urge for reverence. Is this bullshit? Makes more sense to me than, "I just don't like the taste of meat."

Thoughts?

its not like vegetarians are some kind of anti social sub group. i am vege but i am not self righteous or anything like that. i dont eat met because i think its wronf to kill animals and having seen first hand what actually happens in an abotoir i find it really horrible.

[Hip Priest]

Originally Posted by Kegmama

My 7 yr old daughter Kellian has decided recently that she wants to be a vegetarian. She hates the thought of animals being killed. Basically, she doesn't like red meat and she won't touch anything pork. The only problem is she is VERY picky! I want to encourage these eating habits, but she won't eat tofu shit or anything like that. Any healthy protein filled stuff you guys can suggest? Thankfully, she is pretty good about eating fruits and vegetables. Occasionally she will eat chicken, and the other night she ate shrimp. So, is she a vegetarian? Or just someone who doesnt eat red meat & pork?

She's not vegetarian, going by the proper definition. But the fact that she's committed herself to a conscious and compassionate option is great, I think. And of course, it may well be he first step towards becoming vegetarian at some point.

It'd great that you are treating her decision with respect, because children not being taken seriously is the biggest barrier to them making choices.

In my experience, from the ones I talk to t work, at seven years of age, children are more than ready and capable of informed choices based upon their own assessment of a situation rather than pressure. They understand a lot more than they are given credit for.

As for stuff to give her: plain cashew nuts are great in curries, and all nuts are full of pretein.

[Glice]

Originally Posted by noumenal

Anyway, who really cares about Wagner anyway? Anti-semite.

I've read a lot of philosophical papers which talk about Wagner as 'the great lost poet' or a perfect instance of Hegelian synthesis, and the usual reactionary nonsense about anti-semitism. And, of course, Nietzsche.

I am an anti-semite, according to my ex-girlfriend at about 11 O'clock on porim and pretty much constantly during her cousin's batmitzvah.

[Toilet & Bowels]

i went under cover as a vegeatarian for 5 years, and i'll tell you this, never have i met a more self-righteous, self-satisfied, joyless and closed minded bunch of people in my life. also, they are incredibly deceitful, if you quiz them about whether they think they are better than everyone else they'll deny it, but when there aren't any meat eaters around, and the vegetarians think they are safe, out come the high horses, the disdain and disgust for their fellow man, and haughty self-satisfied sneers at their own presumed moral superiority. Not to mention half-baked scientific theories to justify their diets of tofu and gruel.

[Savage Clone]

Everyone is a snob about something when they are comfortable and familiar.
Thanks for the nice comments though.

[EMMAh]

Originally Posted by Kegmama

My 7 yr old daughter Kellian has decided recently that she wants to be a vegetarian. She hates the thought of animals being killed. Basically, she doesn't like red meat and she won't touch anything pork. The only problem is she is VERY picky! I want to encourage these eating habits, but she won't eat tofu shit or anything like that. Any healthy protein filled stuff you guys can suggest? Thankfully, she is pretty good about eating fruits and vegetables. Occasionally she will eat chicken, and the other night she ate shrimp. So, is she a vegetarian? Or just someone who doesnt eat red meat & pork?

I really like some of the products Yves has...
www.yvesveggie.com
There's recipes on the site too

[Toilet & Bowels]

Believe me, it's no coincidence that Hitler was a vegetarian!

[Savage Clone]

Yep, and everyone with a moustache kills Jews and gays and gypsies.
Or at least wants to.

[Hip Priest]

Of course, Joseph Stalin was famous for eating meat, and he's seen by some as even worse than Hitler. I wonder if that proves a simlar point about meat-eaters...

Or would suggesting that just be trolling nonsense?

[Toilet & Bowels]

Originally Posted by Savage Clone

Yep, and everyone with a moustache kills Jews and gays and gypsies.
Or at least wants to.

no that would be ridiculous! vegetarians are plotting the downfall of humble meat eaters as we speak!

[Savage Clone]

Tell me there aren't any number of ways in which you secretly feel superior to other people.
If you don't have these feelings about some facet of your life, you are lying to yourself. Nothing wrong with it either. People are stupid.

[qprogeny79]

for the record, peter singer is a moron. just because i'm a vegetarian doesn't mean that i believe any differentiation between men and animals on the grounds that men have a rational faculty that they are required to use in order to survive (which animals, being largely instinctive in nature, do not) amounts to wholly unjustifiable "species-ism."

[EMMAh]

Originally Posted by Kegmama

Thank you Emmah! I appreciate your reply...

No problem

[jon boy]

i do have vegan friends who are fairly joyless and cannot find humour in anything but everyone can be self righteous about something. take hip hop or rap for example. recall a massive debate about that on the previous board. i personally dont go around telling people what to eat or that i dont like meat. its funny that people think that there is nothing but meat to eat, like nothing else exists and i am always asked 'what do you eat'?

[EMMAh]

Originally Posted by jon boy

i do have vegan friends who are fairly joyless and cannot find humour in anything but everyone can be self righteous about something. take hip hop or rap for example. recall a massive debate about that on the previous board. i personally dont go around telling people what to eat or that i dont like meat. its funny that people think that there is nothing but meat to eat, like nothing else exists and i am always asked 'what do you eat'?

Exactly

[Neongod]

Originally Posted by Savage Clone

Yep, and everyone with a moustache kills Jews and gays and gypsies.
Or at least wants to.

And...?

[Savage Clone]

I made no judgement there.
I'm a live and let kill kinda guy.

[Mackle]

I have been vegetarian for about a year and a half now. Kinda been on and off vegan. I am for lots of reasons but mainly I just don't feel that I have the right to eat a dead who has suffered so much when it is not at all necessary because there are so many alternatives available. If we were living in a world were meat was the only viable way to survive then maybe it would be justified but it isnt. I guess the health reason comes into it a bit but that isnt really my main reason. Though I have started eating so much more healthy since I gave up meat