[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by Mortte Jousimo

I think I like all those six first as much. Sabotage is also really great! Symptom of the Universe, Megalomania, Supertzar, Am I going Insane, really great classic Sabbath tunes! Hole in the sky has of course great riff, but I think in that song band started to go to the little bit boring direction.

The start of Hole in the Sky is balls to the wall

[evollove]

"Subterranean Homesick Blues," age 11. I had no idea you could sound like that, use words like that, be so damn ramshackle. I mean, I didn't know it was, like, legal.

On second thought, Carlin's Class Clown album, around the same age, was probably more life-changing.

Originally Posted by Severian

Snowblind is fucking awesome. ... Vol. 4 is an album I can't go without. It's their best as far as I'm concerned.

Yes, a lot. Gonna put on "Snowblind" now. It's more brilliant than perhaps the writers even knew. 1.) It rocks real sexy. 2.) It's catchy. 3.) It's emotionally complex: The narrator's defiance and declaration of freedom is almost anthemic, but ultimately it is naive self-justification. The druggie do protest too much, and I'm always left with a feeling of sadness. I consider it an antidrug song, and as such, it kicks the shit out of "Needle and Damage." Cuz you can fuck to it.

[Severian]

Ditto on "Subterranean Homesick Blues" ... I don't know how young I was when I first heard that song, but I must have been pretty goddamn young. Too young to understand most of it. And yet the line "Johnny's in the basement mixin' up the medicine / I'm on the pavement thinking bout the government" lit up my imagination the very first time.

And then
"... You better duck down the alleyway looking for a new friend / The man in the coon-skin cap in the pig pen / Wants 11 dollar bills - you only got 10"

How many instantly quotable lines are in this song? For 1965, this shit was downright dangerous.

Yeah, talking about specifics songs, this would be high on my list. It's a reminder of how vital Dylan was. In my mind, he was neck and neck with the Beatles during this period. Only he embodied something different but equally important. just as the Beatles *were* England, Dylan *was* America, in all its dirt-stained glory.

[Antagon]

This

 

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by pepper_green

well, of course. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is the stinker though. I've tried to like it.

Whaaaaaaat? Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is a fucking brilliant record.. that title track is fucking epic good

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

So is Bill Ward. Its perhaps Ward's most fierce drum work. There is teeth to that record.. though it does at times sound like the soundtrack to Brian De Palma flick

[Spaz617]

 

[Mortte Jousimo]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

Whaaaaaaat? Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is a fucking brilliant record.. that title track is fucking epic good

I really also love Sabbath Bloody Sabbath. Maybe the most prog of their albums (of course because there was even Wakeman playing in a one? song). I really also love the albums sounding. It was one of the latest their great albums I´ve heard, first was Vol.4, then Master Of Reality, then Paranoid. I think then came Sabbath Bloody, I think I was seventeen then. First album & Sabotage I heard even later although have heard some of their songs before.

[a baby in 1980]

 

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Fuck it i just listened to Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and i dare say the title track is the most Black Sabbath moment in all the decades of motherfucking Black fucking Sabbath yo.. that intro?? Are those fucking blast beats?? And that heavy ass bridge!!!

[Rob Instigator]

YES

[Mortte Jousimo]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

Fuck it i just listened to Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and i dare say the title track is the most Black Sabbath moment in all the decades of motherfucking Black fucking Sabbath yo.. that intro?? Are those fucking blast beats?? And that heavy ass bridge!!!

Agree. Immediately loved that first song of the album when heard it first time. Really also love that end period where Ozzy "sings" really high! But the rest of the album is also just amazing!

[Severian]

Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is pretty goddamn ferocious. I would probably be inclined to say it's my second or third favorite after Vol 4.

The title track is so heavy... SO heavy... You can listen to it on an iPhone and it'll shake your heart. Then they swivel into doing Zeppelin better than Zeppelin ever did Zeppelin for the second part of the verse.

I don't really pay much attention to post SBS sabbath, but that album is excellent.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by Severian

Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is pretty goddamn ferocious. I would probably be inclined to say it's my second or third favorite after Vol 4.

The title track is so heavy... SO heavy... You can listen to it on an iPhone and it'll shake your heart. Then they swivel into doing Zeppelin better than Zeppelin ever did Zeppelin for the second part of the verse.

I don't really pay much attention to post SBS sabbath, but that album is excellent.

Great point about how they Zeppelined better than Zeppelin. Indeed Symptom of the Universe also seems to out Zeppelin Zeppelin

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

I think paranoid is the first "punk" record. And master of reality was initially my favorite sabbath record

[gmku]

HORSES by Patti Smith in 1975

[themawt71]

nels cline trio
chest

heard nels cline on mike watts ball hog or tugboat when it came out. a few songs really featured him and he sounded good.

got a few nels cds then got chest

perfect mix of sonic youth and jazz.

[Mortte Jousimo]

I love also more Sabbath than Zeppelin even I really love also Zeppelin. And Sabotage is as great as SBS! Also I think there are some great songs in those two last Ozzy seventies albums, haven´t listened them a lot but I am going to listen them. Also even 13 is not as great as seventies albums, I think it is a lot better than any of non-Ozzy albums.

I really love also Cream, hard to say which is better, Cream or Sabbath.

I think Sonics were first punk band. And just my opinion, this is first punk song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In7z7B87Puc

[Severian]

Nobody's forgetting Master of Reality or Paranoid or s/t.

I'm just going with the general flow of the comments. First Vol.4 (my favorite), then Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, which is probably my 2nd, at least right now.

I have a lot to say about all of the band's Ozzy albums. So, don't get me wrong. I don't think Master of Reality is a "punk" record at all- certainly not the first. I think it's the genesis of stoner metal and doom. The nexus point where the vaguely "hippieish" colors and hues that were present in the band's "Cream-y" days became muted and dimmed as the band grew into their sound, and began to own it.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by pepper_green

are you guys forgetting about the getting sucked into a blackhole tunes of Master of Reality or the heavy jazz fusion of Paranoid? what about the 'doing Cream better than Cream' first album? all this and the fact that Sabotage kicks SBS up and down the street while having hands long enough to bitch slap it too?

Sabotage all the way!!

btw, without Zep, Black Sabbath has no foundation.

Agreed about Paranoid. It's almost insulting that Sabbath has been so strictly categorized as "heavy metal." What about "Planet Caravan"? That song is as musically adventurous as the genre-bending space jams that were met with critical praise when released by more "serious" artists like Santana, Jimi Hendrix Experience (even Can!). There were elements of free Jazz and fusion throughout their run with Ozzy. "Air Dance" on Never Say Die! for example.

Same goes for that fucking great riffing on "Rat Salad". The drumming on that song is ungodly. Sure, Zeppelin opened the door for that, but I find the lyrical and musical content of Paranoid over that of Led Zeppelin II.