[the ikara cult]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

Jesus H. Christ. That's fuckin amazing.

"seems like the drummer has serious issues"
That video is just plain disturbing

[Toilet & Bowels]

surprised nobody's mentioned fushitsusha yet, i think certain things they've done are the heaviest things i've heard, but also obviously early swans, and i find hototogisu at their heaviest to be the heaviest current band i can think of.
sunn o))) are heavy and everything, but their theaticral nature creates levity.

[Everyneurotic]

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

surprised nobody's mentioned fushitsusha yet, i think certain things they've done are the heaviest things i've heard...

true, can't believe i forgot; stuff like "that which is becoming to me" has a devastating feeling.

now that i'm listening to them, i forgot to mention mouthus.

[FruitLoop]

Originally Posted by LittlePuppetBoy

which groups do you feel fall under this category?


I say SWANS!!! (during their early noise period)

Shit... the moment I saw the thread's title I thought of early swans.... Therefore, I'm going to say Einstürzende Neubauten, they've always had a "heavy" dimension, such as with the Silence is sexy or some of their early stuff (at least Kollaps).

Glenn Branca's symphonies are always heavy, at least the ones I have, and, adding to the Swans', the Angels of Light cd I have (Since I left you) is also pretty heavy, sort of calm but hard on the low-end of my aural spectrum, so to speak. Enough to get my trusty speakers to buzz like fuck.

[Sonic Youth 37]

Am I the only one here that thinks the Zeppelin's "Achilles Last Stand" is the pinnacle of heavy?

John Bonham was a fiend behind the kit.

[atari 2600]

I would go more towards In The Evening from the late Zeppelin for the most heaviousity, but yeah very heavy. Achilles last Stand was Jimmy Page's favorite one they say.

Other exceedingly heavy songs from this supergroup of virtuosic musicans:
(you know, as opposed to rambunctious bunches of bands that you can't even tell their songs apart or what the name is of the damn "song" and aren't fit to even lick The Beatles boots)

Custard Pie
In My Time of Dying
Bring It On Home
When The Levee Breaks
No Quarter
and the heaviest:
Dazed & Confused live!

[Sonic Youth 37]

Originally Posted by atari 2600

I would go more towards In The Evening from the late Zeppelin for the most heaviousity, but yeah very heavy. Achilles last Stand was Jimmy Page's favorite one they say.

Other exceedingly heavy songs from this supergroup of virtuosic musicans:
(you know, as opposed to rambunctious bunches of bands that you can't even tell their songs apart or what the name is of the damn "song")

Custard Pie
In My Time of Dying
Bring It On Home
When The Levee Breaks
No Quarter
and the heaviest:
Dazed & Confused live!

I had forgetten about that one. Solid choice.

"In My Time Of Dying" takes it for straight up blues heaviness.

[atari 2600]

thanks for ...

but anyway,

nice to read the learned opinion of someone for which actual music is not anathema, by the way.

[Sonic Youth 37]

Oh yeah! Dazed and Confused live.

The part that sticks out for me there is the bow solo when it's just all rumblely noise and then breaks down into the wah/hand slide part to finish it off.

John Paul Jones' hell-spawned bass aside.

Another heavy hitter is "Sunshine Of Your Love" Those tones don't come out with anything under 10.

[Everyneurotic]

i've never made it all the way thru a led zeppelin show, so i guess you could say that's heavy (as in boring).

i like no quarter better than dazed & confused, riffwise, dazed is better (smoking sabbath when they were still shuffling to the blues) but if you are talking heavy, no quarter is fucked. that's like khanate 30 years before.

[atari 2600]

Funny thing, an awful lot of these groups being mentioned...they're all wimps & poseurs. The music business is such a business now, after all. And the art suffers, so the music suffers.

How so? How are many ultimately poseurs? (besides the fact that none of them are virtuosic musicans with some being barely "musicians" at all?)

Refer back to my original post in this thread.


Every artist I mention was addicted to drugs. Almost all of what I mention was written, composed, recorded and performed live while everyone involved was smacked out of their fucking minds.

Now please, don't try to form some juvenile argument that I'm saying all great music has to be made by drug-addicts. That obviously isn't true and I wouldn't hold it as a prerequisite per se. But what is undeniable is that most of the best music throughout history has been made by drug-addicts.

[Signpost]

Sightings
early AMM
Tony Conrad (not a band but still pretty heavy shit)

[Rob Instigator]

the early melvins. Gluey Porch Treeatments and Ozma.

godflesh , the first one, streetcleaner. that shit is heavy.

and the best heavy song ever, BLACK SABBATH children of the grave!

[Savage Clone]

Originally Posted by atari 2600

Funny thing, an awful lot of these groups being mentioned...they're all wimps & poseurs. The music business is such a business now, after all. And the art suffers, so the music suffers.

How so? How are many ultimately poseurs? (besides the fact that none of them are virtuosic musicans with some being barely "musicians" at all?)

Keiji Haino is a virtuosic musician; he can play it straight with the best of them, and simply chooses not to a great deal of the time. He does do the occasional "jazz" set on guitar, and he definitely knows the instrument inside and out. I hardly think anyone who can play for 12-18 hours straight at the age of 50+ can be called either a "wimp" or a "poseur." Fushitsusha definitely made some of the darkest and heaviest music I have ever heard. I'm pretty sure Haino steers clear of the drugs too, but drug use or non-use matters little to me.

[jon boy]

i was going to mention fushitsusha but didnt have time to type it.

[LittlePuppetBoy]

Originally Posted by atari 2600

Yeah, Helter Skelter blows everyone's shit away too.
That was like thirty-eight years ago and they still kick anyone's butt.

I really didn't think much of that song when I heard it. It sounds like a Guess Who song I found.

[Toilet & Bowels]

Originally Posted by atari 2600

absolute drivel

for someone who makes great bones about presenting themselves as highly cultured i'm absolutely gobsmacked by your ignorance and stupidity regarding contemporary music. no doubt in twenty five years when some greil marcus like chartacter writes some bogus reevalution of current underground music you'll be able to accept the music as being culturally valid and worth your time. you are a fool, i don't understand why you post on a music message board at all.

[Everyneurotic]

caspar brötzmann massaker should be up there.

[Glice]

Originally Posted by Savage Clone

Keiji Haino is a virtuosic musician; he can play it straight with the best of them, and simply chooses not to a great deal of the time. He does do the occasional "jazz" set on guitar, and he definitely knows the instrument inside and out. I hardly think anyone who can play for 12-18 hours straight at the age of 50+ can be called either a "wimp" or a "poseur." Fushitsusha definitely made some of the darkest and heaviest music I have ever heard. I'm pretty sure Haino steers clear of the drugs too, but drug use or non-use matters little to me.

Haino shits on everyone. There's a four-bar passage on the live video where he plays this entirely straight, proper old-school, Zep-esque metal 'lick' that confirmed exactly what you're saying. It's a 3 1/2 octave run, five times, in 7 (or probably more, I forget) positions at lightening speed, utterly sick. And then he goes back to the excruciating thing that we all know and love him for.

I reckon a mention of Wagner and Mahler can't go awry at this point.

[Everyneurotic]

besides, weren't we over this already? you don't need to know how to play to make great music and just because you know how to play is not something to frown upon?