[Everyneurotic]

i dunno, lately julian has been like "this sucks, that sucks, etc."

still, it's more a general, like, inquiry for my part at least. this particular topic is valid and all.

[avantgarde1]

if i hear something and i dont' like it, i throw it out (or turn it off). are you eharing this stuff on the radio?i stopped listening to the radio when i was 14.

[the ikara cult]

sorry, i meant ignore Atari0.0001 because he is a cunt.
As for the new indie bands, ive been out of the loop enough that it doesnt really matter to me any more, if people enjoy it then fine, as long as people dont take my disdain for certain bands on a personal basis i dont care what they like and we would probably get on.

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

Originally Posted by Everyneurotic

i dunno, lately julian has been like "this sucks, that sucks, etc."

still, it's more a general, like, inquiry for my part at least. this particular topic is valid and all.

I'm easily disappointed, like a girl with a voracious appetite for cock.

[atari 2600]

Originally Posted by avantgarde1

you know, i never really cared where a band was from as long as they sounded good. that's what mainstream rap is for. and stop saying elephant 6, it's getting really annoying.

"Modern psych-folk indie music" (examples: The Arcade Fire, Bright Eyes, The Polyphonic Spree, Devendra Banhart, (all hugely popular)) is derived from the Elephant 6 Collective bands (examples: Olivia Tremor Control, Neutral Milk Hotel, Elf Power, The Gerbils) just as surely as "modern ALTERNATIVE rock" (ex: Coldplay, Death Cab for Cutie, The Hives, Dashboard Confessional (all hugely popular)) is derivative of the Sub Pop bands (Nirvana & Mudhoney especially NIRVANA of course) and Seattle '90s grunge bands on other labels. Anyone with ears to hear can tell the same. And it just so happens that Athens and Seattle were homes to the two biggest indie music scenes in the nineties raking in the most ching-ching caShe$e.

The Shins are on Sub Pop and even they go the upbeat folksy route for a huge part.

The Decemberists and their friends have a very E6 thing going on in Portland. The Wipers from the Seattle scene are also a big "godfather" influence in Portland still.

Yeah, Athens started college rock, for this I am proud. People still going ga-ga over E6 doesn't inspire the same respect and it just goes to show how unremarkable and untalented (mostly it just serves to expose the pretentious lie that they are all that original) so many of the "indie" bands are today.

These are broad strokes, yes, but that's how rock history is usually defined.

[Dead-Air]

Originally Posted by atari 2600

just as surely as "modern indie rock" (ex: Coldplay, Death Cab for Cutie, The Hives, Dashboard Confessional(all hugely popular)) is derivative of the Sub Pop bands (Nirvana, Mudhoney, The Wipers) and Seattle '90s grunge bands on other labels. Anyone with ears to hear can tell the same.

Whoa. Are you really saying that Coldplay was somehow influenced by Mudhoney? That may be the most amusing claim of the century!

[atari 2600]

especially NIRVANA of course...

you really think you can come in and discredit me so readily?

Yep, Dead-Air, your Portland scene is very much derivative of the 2 biggest scenes in the nineties...Athens and Seattle...deal with it...acknowledge the facts.

And that's largely the way it will stay until some band breaks out of Portland in a big way, then the music scene there will slowly begin to be derivative of them, ala The White Stripes in Ann Arbor. I suppose your The Decemberists have made some headway, although, as I previously stated, they owe much to E6 bands anyway.

Everything is derivative of something...there is nothing really all that new under the sun, son.

P.S. I liked it better the first time around.

[Dead-Air]

Originally Posted by atari 2600

especially NIRVANA of course...

you really think you can come in and discredit me so readily?

Yep, Dead-Air, your Portland scene is very much derivative of the 2 biggest scenes in the nineties...Athens and Seattle...deal with it...acknowledge the facts.

And that's largely the way it will stay until some band breaks out of Portland in a big way, then the music scene there will slowly begin to be derivative of them, ala The White Stripes in Ann Arbor.

Everything is derivative of something...there is nothing really all that new under the sun, son.

P.S. I liked it better the first time around.

Uh, I lived in Seattle in the '80s and Olympia in the '90s. I went to school with Steve Turner between Green River and Mudhoney in Bellingham and am still in touch with him. I hold no loyalty whatsoever to any "Portland scene" and in fact the rest of my band lives in Seattle, Tacoma, and Olympia.

Honestly, by the '90s Seattle was getting pretty tired, it was just that the rest of the world was catching on a little late. In the late '80s it was the best place in the world to live and see live music, much of it homegrown. That said, all of those bands owe a huge debt to the Wipers, who were from Portland and not Seattle. I watched the Wipers play in Bellingham with Mark Arm and Steve Turner in 1985 in fact, the U-men opened.

I just find it patently ridiculous that anyone would claim a band like Coldplay would be influenced by Mudhoney or even Nirvana. Echo and the Bunnymen, New Order, maybe even This Mortal Coil - those bands probably influenced Coldplay (and I'm being nice and not suggesting Sting and Dave Matthews instead!)

[avantgarde1]

man that guy talks alot. i bet he loves the sound of his own voice too. you've said that exact same paragraph 2 or 3 times already, we get it! every band to day ripped off some elephant called 6. now kindly shut the fuck up.

[avantgarde1]

LOL! sting & dave matthews! good one.

[the ikara cult]

Dont lower yourself by responding to this arguement Mr Dead Air, Ataris long past provoking interesting discussion

[atari 2600]

Yeah...Coldplay, Nickelback (insert band name here) being like Nirvana, that's really an alien thought to you? What?

But isn't it "the rest of the world" that matters to people trying to make it in bands? I'm not interested in your gleeful prose about how the rest of the world caught on late...of course they did! DUH! that's how it goes...by the time In the Aeroplane over the sea hit shit was pretty much over in athens...let me also explain something else to you:

Great artists, even though most that truly are great strive in a period of toil, are ambitious. They have an irrepressible urge that they feel is a personal responsibility to succeed and share their art with the world.

People that live as townies and play in bands that hardly anyone will ever hear are rarely the true artists; don't mistakenly romantically take them for tragic heroes. (Although there is nothing wrong with being a musical hobbyist). They are almost always exactly as they appear: namely, they are conceited, complacent, apathetic, low-lifes.
In short, at least ninety percent of those people are bad news.

[avantgarde1]

ikara is totally right. atari just keeps saying the same thing over & over again. douche bigalow is his new name. or insufferable cunt. i'll let you decide.

[the ikara cult]

Originally Posted by avantgarde1

ikara is totally right. atari just keeps saying the same thing over & over again. douche bigalow is his new name. or insufferable cunt. i'll let you decide.

We cant get rid of the old moaner, he is an insufferable Roger Hunt. But hey ho.

[Norma J]

All I care to mention in this thread is that Atari is the saddest fuck on this board.

[avantgarde1]

i second that motion. so apparently he doesn't just annoy me, that's good to hear. and norma j, do you post on the stones throw board to? cuz there's someone who does who has that b&w photo of the chick in her bra @ the doorway as their profile pic. i think their name is drella.

[ZEROpumpkins]

New Indie Bands< low-carb diets, Michael Moore, the Republican National Convention,
Kabbalah and all Kabbalah-related products, high definition TV, the Bush
daughters, wireless hot spots, The O. C., the U.N., recycling, getting
Punk'd, Danny Gans; the Latin Grammys, the real Grammys, Jeff the Wiggle
that sleeps a lot, the Yankees payroll, the red states, the blue states,
every hybrid car, every talk show host, everything on the planet,
everything in the solar system, and everything that exists, past, present
and future in all discovered and undiscovered dimensions. Oh, and Hugh
Jackman

[avantgarde1]

i have no idea what yr talking about, but hugh jackman sucks dead donkey dick.

[ZEROpumpkins]

It's a direct quote from Scrubs. Hugh Jackman is Wolverine! How can he suck?

[Norma J]

Originally Posted by avantgarde1

i second that motion. so apparently he doesn't just annoy me, that's good to hear. and norma j, do you post on the stones throw board to? cuz there's someone who does who has that b&w photo of the chick in her bra @ the doorway as their profile pic. i think their name is drella.

He used to entertain me but it's now tiring. It's the constant arguing he does with people, it's not even constructive. It's just random shit that goes on and on and too far, each and every time. He must have huge pupils and throbbing temples all the time, for sure. Angry guy.

And no, that's not me on that board. The photo is of Edie Sedgwick and Andy Warhol. Edie is dreamy, no doubt about it.