[Kina]

Originally Posted by davenotdead

you like this hairless near-woman?

 

or this manly man who spreads his seed and has enough testosterone for himself and his partner?

 

If I had to pick it would definitely be the first one (can we have a less gay looking option though perhaps??), the 70s/80s bear look never much appealed to me so I can't pick the second one

[Norma J]

Originally Posted by Cantankerous

porky that was an excellent example
that man is the total opposite of attractive (on the beach)
he has a fucking moustache for christs sake!

So thast guy would be attractive without body hair?

[davenotdead]

Originally Posted by Norma J

So thast guy would be attractive without body hair?

I think that's what she's implying here

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by Kina

If I had to pick it would definitely be the first one (can we have a less gay looking option though perhaps??), the 70s/80s bear look never much appealed to me so I can't pick the second one

hairy men is not a "fashion" nor a "look", it is jujst how men are.
it is the way of nature. harilessness for men in western culture use dto be a necessity for athletes like swimmers who wanted to streamilne their flow through water, or for body builders who wanted to allow judges to see their muscular definition. Now it is more of a narcissim.

[Kina]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

hairy men is not a "fashion" nor a "look", it is jujst how men are.
it is the way of nature. harilessness for men in western culture use dto be a necessity for athletes like swimmers who wanted to streamilne their flow through water, or for body builders who wanted to allow judges to see their muscular definition. Now it is more of a narcissim.

What I was referring to is that in the 70s especially it was seen as desirable for a man to have a hairy chest just like now it is seen as desirable not to have one and in that way I see it as a look since it was linked to that hippie aesthetic. I am aware all too well that hair growth is a natural thing and can only be controlled in that you remove the hair temporarily, and despite how it developed for men some men are now removing their hair on purpose just like women do. If hair removal is narcissism in men is it narcissism in women or do you think guys would prefer this?:

 

[Rob Instigator]

I think guys are TRAINED by societal mores to prefer hairless women, especially in the past 20 years where mass culture has sexualized girls younger and younger, and also because of the increasing pervasiveness of porbnography in our culture. pubic hair serves a purpose, so does armpit hair. hair acts like B-B's, allowing for movement without much friction. It also helps maintain odor, back from our pre-civilized days when odor was a marker, and humans use dtheir sense of smell to recognize each other.

in europe and asia and africa many women do not shave their armpits. the men over there don;t seem to give a fuck, they still get mad stiff, wet spots all over the front of their trousers.


in the 70's it was not that it was necesarily desirable to have a thick bed of hair on your chest. what was desirable was to leave all your hair, head, legs, and chest, "natural" whether that meant a lot of hair or a little. those gold medallions had to rest on something!

[Savage Clone]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

Now it is more of a narcissim.

Unless you (I am speaking in the general "you" here) live in a house with no mirrors and get all your clothes from a charity shop free box while blindfolded, a certain amount of so-called "narcissism" goes into every single clothing and personal grooming choice you make every single day of your life.

You might have a beard, but it doesn't go down to your knees.

[Kina]

Hehe well nature is practical, it even has a place for the odd gold medallion. But yeah I know about the cultural norms in terms of hair and how they developed, I'm just trying to say that just like how it has been considered attractive for a women to have no bodily hair that I think that this is becoming something that applies to men too, and hey it's not natural but natural isn't always the most desireable thing to all people.

Ofcourse being actually attracted to a person in real life is a totally different story to simply being given the choice of two photographs, a great personality really makes or breaks it for me at least, not how hairy someone is.

[atari 2600]

"Believe me, there'd be plenty of women going for the pig-men. No
matter what the deformity you'll find some group of perverts
attracted to it. 'Oo that little tail turns me on.'" Jerry Seinfeld, "The Bris"

[Rob Instigator]

for the recorfd, - stop calling women bitches!

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by Savage Clone

Unless you (I am speaking in the general "you" here) live in a house with no mirrors and get all your clothes from a charity shop free box while blindfolded, a certain amount of so-called "narcissism" goes into every single clothing and personal grooming choice you make every single day of your life.

You might have a beard, but it doesn't go down to your knees.

it will when I get older!

[Genteel Death]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

hairy men is not a "fashion" nor a "look", it is jujst how men are.
it is the way of nature. harilessness for men in western culture use dto be a necessity for athletes like swimmers who wanted to streamilne their flow through water, or for body builders who wanted to allow judges to see their muscular definition. Now it is more of a narcissim.

Roberta, that's so not true. Try registering on this (http://www.eurowoof.com/) website if you are a skinny, hairless woman-boy, and see the sort of reply you will get from the site owners. Unless you happen to be as liberatingly sexy like me, of course. Or yourself. It's not just a fashion, it's an entire subculture.

[Genteel Death]

Not that you're my type, you understand. Too effeminate.

[notyourfiend]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

I think guys are TRAINED by societal mores to prefer hairless women, especially in the past 20 years where mass culture has sexualized girls younger and younger, and also because of the increasing pervasiveness of porbnography in our culture. pubic hair serves a purpose, so does armpit hair. hair acts like B-B's, allowing for movement without much friction. It also helps maintain odor, back from our pre-civilized days when odor was a marker, and humans use dtheir sense of smell to recognize each other.

in europe and asia and africa many women do not shave their armpits. the men over there don;t seem to give a fuck, they still get mad stiff, wet spots all over the front of their trousers.


in the 70's it was not that it was necesarily desirable to have a thick bed of hair on your chest. what was desirable was to leave all your hair, head, legs, and chest, "natural" whether that meant a lot of hair or a little. those gold medallions had to rest on something!

yup. i've mentioned this before but i dont shave under my arms. when i went to copenhagen i was very low on cash (the american exchange rate blew) so i decided to take the opportunty to not buy a razor and see what happened. i grew to love my arm pit hair. my girlriend loves it too. if it was smelly or something i would shave it, but it's completely managable. i'm glad that i no longer have to deal with that prickly just shaved feeling. i find it kinda funny that i can fuck with so many people's notions of femininity just by raising my arms.

 

<--- i love that fur.

[amerikangod]

Originally Posted by notyourfiend

i find it kinda funny that i can fuck with so many people's notions of femininity just by raising my arms.

The best way to fuck with someone's notions of femininity is to have a dick.

[infinitemusic]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

in europe and asia and africa many women do not shave their armpits. the men over there don;t seem to give a fuck, they still get mad stiff, wet spots all over the front of their trousers.

Do you actually know any Europeans? Because I know quite a few from many different Euro countries, and they're all extremely against any body hair, even on men.

[Keeping It Simple]

Sean Connery was James Bond. Nuff said.

[pbradley]

I pick the girl in the second picture.

I wouldn't mind if she were a tad hairy down there-y.

[davenotdead]

i've missed this thread

[ploesj]

Originally Posted by infinitemusic

Do you actually know any Europeans? Because I know quite a few from many different Euro countries, and they're all extremely against any body hair, even on men.

indeed, not shaving your armpits or legs or whatever is quite excpetional here :P