[Cantankerous]

Originally Posted by gmku

The solo on Sympathy, sure, that's Keith, and that's an incredibly simple solo. It's great, but it's simple. Keith simply could not do the complicated, virtuoso solo work that Taylor did for the ending of Can't You Hear Me Knocking. They had completely different sounding styles.

Perhaps Keith can play it today, but he couldn't back then.

i find it really weird because i mean i can play things like that and i'm not a very good guitar player. if you gave me a tab for the solo and 20 minutes i could have it completely worked out.

[gmku]

I think that's wonderful, Cantankerous. But that doesn't rewrite the fact that Mick Taylor is responsible for the extended solo and not Keith. If you can play as lyrically as Mick Taylor, you've got some fine chops, girl.

[Cantankerous]

yeah i know he's responsible for it, we've been over that. but i don't believe that keith was incapable of playing it, because he's better than me and i could do it.

[atari 2600]

You're alone on that one, sister.
I think gmku is right on this...sounds like Taylor...I've got a video of them at The Marquee Club in '71, but they don't play Knockin'.

Rather enjoy yappin' 'bout The Stones in the wee hours without interruptions though.

Think we're the only three here that have always consistently extolled their virtues.

[gmku]

Originally Posted by Cantankerous

yeah i know he's responsible for it, we've been over that. but i don't believe that keith was incapable of playing it, because he's better than me and i could do it.

Ha ha. Well, okay, much as I love Keef, I will never concede that he could play as well as Mick Taylor. Mick was a virtuoso, polished musician. Keef was an awesome rockandroll guitar player. But that's a big difference.

[atari 2600]

The way I understand it, you hear Taylor the most on Sticky. Yet another way they tended to undermine Taylor. His resentment really started to grow after Fingers because he wasn't credited properly.

[Cantankerous]

i give up. no one understands what i'm trying to say.

[gmku]

Originally Posted by atari 2600

You're alone on that one, sister.
I think gmku is right on this...sounds like Taylor...I've got a video of them at The Marquee Club in '71, but they don't play Knockin'.

Rather enjoy yappin' 'bout The Stones in the wee hours without interruptions though.

Think we're the only three here that have always consistently extolled their virtues.

Yeah, I can get obsessed about this period. Every source I've ever read, including quotes from Keef and Taylor themselves, confirm that Taylor does the solo. And it sounds like Taylor. They each had a different sound, a different way of playing. I can tell Keith from Taylor.

[Cantankerous]

Originally Posted by atari 2600

The way I understand it, you can't hear Taylor all that much on Beggar's or Let it Bleed. You hear him more on Exile and It's Only, but the most on Sticky. Yet another way they tended to undermine Taylor. His resentment really started to grow after Fingers because he wasn't credited properly.

he's not on beggar's banquet.

[atari 2600]

you're right, thinkin' of the live tours that followed

you must've quoted right as i edited

[gmku]

Originally Posted by atari 2600

The way I understand it, you can't hear Taylor all that much on Beggar's or Let it Bleed. You hear him more on Exile, Goats and It's Only, but the most on Sticky. Yet another way they tended to undermine Taylor. His resentment really started to grow after Fingers because he wasn't credited properly.

Exactly.

Time Waits for No One is another beautiful Taylor song. That long ending is all his, and it's just gorgeous.

The "problem" w/ Taylor in the Stones, if you want to call it a problem, is that he was first and foremost a trained and skilled musician, and only by occupation, in the slot he was filling, a rock and roll guitar player.

[Cantankerous]

he just wasn't suited to the band. that's all i'm getting at.

[atari 2600]

"exactly" except for my rather embarrassing gaffe, that is. we all make 'em, but that was a huge 'un.

damn, Saturnine, you have it out for Taylor...if you listen to the bootlegs then it's extremely obvious that he's stealing the show

[gmku]

Excuse me, westernwhateverthefuckyourproblemis, but could you go crawl back into your padded room and masturbate or something for a while?

[gmku]

Originally Posted by atari 2600

exactly except for my rather embarrassing gaffe, that is. we all make 'em, but that was a huge 'un.

damn, Saturnine, you have it out for Taylor...if you listen to the bootlegs then it's painfully obvious that he's stealing the show

Seriously, Tanky. Stones fans of the time loved him. I don't get your pain over this. I even have a Stones boot from the 72 tour called Mick Taylor, We Miss You!

[Cantankerous]

Originally Posted by atari 2600

exactly except for my rather embarrassing gaffe, that is. we all make 'em, but that was a huge 'un.

damn, Saturnine, you have it out for Taylor...if you listen to the bootlegs then it's painfully obvious that he's stealing the show

i have several bootlegs from that period and he just doesn't integrate with the rest of the band properly. they're not a "guitar solo" kind of band, they're not deep purple or carlos santana, never were and never will be.

what makes it worse is that he wasn't personable at all.

[gmku]

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree then. And I couldn't disagree with you more strongly on every point. But you know... it's only rock and roll.

[atari 2600]

okay, now I'm getting what you're saying more...you feel he upsets the stone groove with too much flair

hey, some of his playing is "too much" like I wrote before, but when he's on, damn, he's on like few guitarists before or since...and having a legendary backing band haha of The Stones' magnitude doesn't hurt.

[Cantankerous]

it should have been "the rolling stones featuring mick taylor" rather than "mick taylor featuring the rolling stones"

he's a damn good guitarist but he needed his own band.

[atari 2600]

One thing is for sure as far as the studio albums though. Sticky Fingers would not be possible without him.

But hey, how 'bout that Goats Head Soup album?