Very serious. Can you elaborate as to why they sound similar, or why it's obvious for everyone who's into Sonic Youth to be automatically into MBV too? I'm not sure I get your point.

[SYRFox]

Originally Posted by ZEROpumpkins

AutechreNot sure if serious...Autechre

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[wellcharge]

i don't think it's that crazy an idea for somebody to like sonic youth and not mbv, sy is a pretty well known/visible group and i don't think it would be strange for somebody to listen to them who usually likes folk or jazz or whateverthefuckelse and not automatically care that something is an "alternative classic"

ZeroAuthecre answer the question and don't go into hiding!

Originally Posted by wellcharge

i don't think it's that crazy an idea for somebody to like sonic youth and not mbv, sy is a pretty well known/visible group and i don't think it would be strange for somebody to listen to them who usually likes folk or jazz or whateverthefuckelse and not automatically care that something is an "alternative classic"

Exactly. Also, I don't hear any traces of Sonic Youth in MBV, plus they have a meagre body of work compared to them. And not that interesting in retrospect. I'm sure I'm not alone on this boat.

[atsonicpark]

Right. MBV are definitely at the bottom of the list as far as shoegaze bands go. I'd much rather listen to Lovesliescrushing (and related projects), Slowdive, Swervedriver, Fleeting Joys, Swirlies, etc...

And MBV don't sound anything like any era of SY.

[SYRFox]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

Right. MBV are definitely at the bottom of the list as far as shoegaze bands go. I'd much rather listen to Lovesliescrushing (and related projects), Slowdive, Swervedriver, Fleeting Joys, Swirlies, etc...

And MBV don't sound anything like any era of SY.

I disagree. Though MBV may not be as good as people say it is, I still think they're the best shoegaze band. Slowdive are fantastic - especially Pygmalion - but I don't think they're better than MBV.
And I ain't even talk about neo-shoegaze bands who are almost all shit to me

SYRFox is incapable of explaining why they are better than most, though.

[atsonicpark]

Yeah, they're not better, they're just more popular. You could argue more "important" but I don't necassarily think pop songs with noisey production and a bunch of guitar layers was something MBV invented. I mean, the Jesus and Mary Chain's "Psychocandy" came out in 1985 -- though I don't think it's that great of a record and I don't really think of them when I think of shoegaze, they did stuff MBV did waaay before MBV. That's not even mentioning bands like Cocteau Twins (who are more dream pop to me but definitely layed down the foundation for MBV's sound... in 1979 or so!) or even Ride's "Nowhere" (which came out a year before Loveless).

Really, the best thing I can say about MBV, besides their harmony vocals on a few songs, is that LOVELESS has a great album cover.

[SYRFox]

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

SYRFox is incapable of explaining why they are better than most, though.

Because I think they are. I ain't saying that they are better than most, I just say that I think they're better. They touch me more. Songs like "When You Sleep", "To Here Knows When", "Lose My Breath", "No More Sorry", "You Made Me Realise" reach to my ears a sonic perfection which no other shoegaze band has reached.

My brother listen almost EXCLUSIVELY (and when I say exclusively, it is) to shoegaze bands, so I have a pretty clear opinion about it.

[atsonicpark]

Ah.

"Touched".

Like the song!!

Originally Posted by SYRFox

Because I think they are. I ain't saying that they are better than most, I just say that I think they're better. They touch me more. Songs like "When You Sleep", "To Here Knows When", "Lose My Breath", "No More Sorry", "You Made Me Realise" reach to my ears a sonic perfection which no other shoegaze band has reached.

My brother listen almost EXCLUSIVELY (and when I say exclusively, it is) to shoegaze bands, so I have a pretty clear opinion about it.

You could have written ''I Love MBV, Oh My God!' and spared yourself the above post, which isn't saying much.

[SYRFox]

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

You could have written ''I Love MBV, Oh My God!' and spared yourself the above post, which isn't saying much.

I don't see why I should say more. I don't have to explain myself on why I love a band . I love their music, that's fine by me. I'm not a super MBV fan. I did not drive 200km to see them in Paris when they played there in 2008. I just happen to like their records - and I don't enjoy, for instance Cocteau Twins record that much.
If you want a full detailed essay on why MBV is so good, there's already tons of writings everywhere for that

dude, forget about the essays. If you say you disagree with something, you don't necessarily have to write 3 pages to explain why, that's all.

[SYRFox]

Okay

[greedrex]

Porky style.

hahahaha

[greedrex]

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

And not that interesting in retrospect. I'm sure I'm not alone on this boat.

I'm sorry to have to agree with this.

[viewtiful_alan]

First time I listened to Loveless I wasn't that wild about it, but I listened to it on shitty headphones on a portable cd player.
Listen to that bitch on a good stereo. It's still growing on me, I have to admit, but I can really see the greatness.

[greedrex]

Originally Posted by viewtiful_alan

Listen to that bitch on a good stereo.

you gotta say "BIATCH".

[uhler]

i like their early eps a whole lot. the rest of their stuff is okay.

i will say that "loveless" is a good album when only on shrooms.