[floatingslowly]

also, people who own guns tend to have the "come get some"
mentality. they fail to take preventitive steps that people without deadly weapons do.

go ahead punks, make my day.

[SONIC GAIL]

 

like my ruger

[verme (prevaricator)]

ya think?

my point exactly.

time

to

leave now.

iwanztgoeatmçyfuckingdinnersomwhere.

[floatingslowly]

Originally Posted by verme (prevaricator)

iwanztgoatfucking.

yr a disgusting FREAK.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by floatingslowly

an attack cat.

does girlgun know you're talking about her that way?

actually, for the little i know about her, she might thing it's funny...

[floatingslowly]

no, my attack cat actually listens to me...sometimes.

[knox]

Originally Posted by verme (prevaricator)

i live with doors unlocked.
ya think bad folks know the credit card trick?

you are more likely to have your credit card cloned or something, so that's the credit card trick they know. in my case, i lock the door, there are codes and security cameras around the common areas. that still didnt stop my card from being cloned, fuck.

[knox]

i mean i'd like to shoot the bastard, but he didn't have the decency of coming over.
oh, and i don't have a gun.
and he'd probably be like what do you wanna shoot me for, the company has refunded you.
but still.
so many hours on the phone.

[verme (prevaricator)]

Originally Posted by floatingslowly

yr a disgusting FREAK.

truth be told.

Originally Posted by knox

you are more likely to have your credit card cloned or something, so that's the credit card trick they know. in my case, i lock the door, there are codes and security cameras around the common areas. that still didnt stop my card from being cloned, fuck.

that sucks. i've been lucky so far, it hasn't happened to me yet.

Originally Posted by knox

i mean i'd like to shoot the bastard, but he didn't have the decency of coming over.
oh, and i don't have a gun.
and he'd probably be like what do you wanna shoot me for, the company has refunded you.
but still.
so many hours on the phone.

i'm sure people have killed over call centers.
if there's something nerve-criging and violence inducing is music on hold.

on par with mouth breeders and noisy eaters, i'd say.
i'd gladly kill those fuckers.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by knox

poor citizens without guns, can't easily kill their cheating wives, commit suicide or have their children accidentaly paraplegic.
even tho the chances that a criminal will kill you if he realises you have a gun are 87,9999% more than if you don't.

thank you. I wish more americans could see this shit right in front of their faces.. humans are far to impulsive to own and have access to such dangerous weapons.

Originally Posted by exploding plastic candle

Long story short: After the Civil War ended in 1865 white men needed a new way to oppress the freed black population of the South. The NRA was founded in 1871. Like so many other things that are "fundamentally American," gun ownership is also fundamentally racist.

amen!

Originally Posted by SONIC GAIL

Coming from a gun toting community I would like to interject my opinion on the matter. I believe that Americans have the right to have a gun for protection per our constitution.

Wheather guns are legal or not criminals will have them on the streets illegaly. I do not want my right of protection taken away from me.

As stated before Guns don't kill people people kill people. 911 did'nt they take over the planes with box cutters or something?

guns end up on the street after they are stolen from legal gun owners, train/ship yards, the back of trucks, and of course gun dealers report (this is what they report, who can imagine what they don't mention) 30,000 missing firearms a year in the US.

In california it is simple. We stopped selling so many fucking guns, and they disappeared of the street. Ten years ago three of my friends were all shot, I was shot at in front of my fucking grandma's house. You could get a gun on the street for 200 bucks.. They sold 9mm handguns at Walmart and there were several gunshops. The street guns were stolen by the PALLET from the shipping and train yards at the LA Harbor. They were plentiful to say the least.

Now there are no gun shops, it is extremely difficult to purchase them, you even need ID and waiting period to buy ammunition, and newsflash, gun violence is down record numbers, and I haven't heard of anywhere near the amount of shootings which I used to see first hand.

in other words, as counter-intuitive as it sounds, California has proven that gun control works. I won't even argue with y'all, I am just giving you my testimony regarding guns on the street of Los Angeles, something I know about from personal experience.

Originally Posted by ni'k

how can anyone equate the right to bear arms with the right to free speech? surely having a gun pointed at you kind of cancels out the free speech thing.

if they would use them to overthrow their government instead of clinging to private property then it would be worthwhile.

exactly. Guns are ridiculous in america, they are used to kill people for the government, and much worse, for absolutely nothing at all.

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

criminals have a million ways to get guns, most of them illegal. law abiding citizens, which are the vast majority, should not have their guns taken away by blind ignorance.

no rob, criminals steal guns from law abiding sources. I know we disagree on this, but I believe California has already demonstrated a point made above

Originally Posted by dale_gribble

clearly i was being extreme, however there is really no way from preventing criminals from getting guns unless you remove guns from our society completely somehow.

It is not as extreme as it sounds. Everywhere else but America people are ready to give up guns, and feel threatened by a mass armed society. In Cali we got rid of all the guns, all the gun shops, all the gun dealers, all the gun shows, and all the guns coming through the harbor by the container load, and like magic there were thousands of less shootings. The criminals did not run a muck, in fact its quite the opposite, the criminals are FAR LESS armed then they were before.
Saying that making guns illegal will only benefit criminals is the same drug prohibition argument, that legalizing drugs will make more heroin addicts. Netherlands already proved that is a fallacy, just as California has already proven it a fallacious argument that gun control benefits criminals and that criminals will have more guns than society if you restrict access.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by verme (prevaricator)

higher gun proliferation means higher criminal violence.
the illegal gun market is fuelled by the legal market.


.

fucking-A, thank you. You summed up my whole post in two sentences. props.

[the ikara cult]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

I will fight and die for your right to carry any weapon you see fit.

I have known friends who have stopped robberies, rapes, and muggings because they were licensed to carry concealed weapons, and not only licensed, but trained in their proper use.

I think every american should be trained in firearm safety, and in how to handle firearms properly.

an old man can and does defend his life and property from someone who could easily overpower him, BECAUSE OF HIS GUN.

criminals have a million ways to get guns, most of them illegal. law abiding citizens, which are the vast majority, should not have their guns taken away by blind ignorance.

see, this is why i like Rob. He's talking complete batshit, but at least i know what he means.

I remember when the Virginia Tech shooting happened i had a fairly big arguement with you on here about guns, dunno if that rings a bell with you?

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by amerikangod

But the same can be applied to any vice and many freedoms. Countless people get into accidents because of alcohol. Smoking kills more people in a year than guns do. So do car accidents. Should all of these things be illegal? No, you maintain your freedoms, apply the proper regulations where necessary, and do your best to inform people. Because, in many cases, the freedom is worth more than the penalty.

And yes, having more guns means more gun violence. Taking guns away will reduce gun violence, but not violence as a whole. Guns didn't exist in the middle ages, and people had no issue butchering each other back then. In fact, there has never been a time in human history when people haven't been prone to violence. It's because we're animals. It's in our nature. If you want to reduce violence you need to focus on a variety of areas. Limiting the tools used will just change the violence. Prohibiting guns will do about as much as prohibiting alcohol did back in the day.

Lets assume that all guns are eradicated and don't fall into the hands of even the most resourceful criminals. Bladed weapons become the weapon of choice again, let's say? Sure, it may be harder and more visceral to stab someone than it is to pull a trigger, but that's just because people are more removed from it. With a little time familiarity sinks in and that hurdle is cleared.

in regards to blades, the UK has had approx 100 knife murders of youths in the past decade.. here in Los Angeles even WITH a lot less guns a hundred youths a years a killed by gun violence

We'll take our chances with knives fo sho!

Violence I can handle, its guns that are tricky. They are permanent violence, see it is hard to kill a person with your bare hands, so it is rarely an accident. People get maimed and killed even by ACCIDENT by guns all the time, let alone those who are shot or killed on purpose but in the heat of the moment. No guns= no opportunity to kill so easily. Violence I can handle, its guns I don't want around.

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by dale_gribble

there is really no way from preventing criminals from getting guns unless you remove guns from our society completely somehow.

So you don't think gun licensing is even marginally effective?

[dale_gribble]

Originally Posted by pbradley

So you don't think gun licensing is even marginally effective?

i'm sure it is but i'm an all or nothing kind of guy, i also like to play devil's advocate.

[the ikara cult]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

in regards to blades, the UK has had approx 100 knife murders of youths in the past decade.. here in Los Angeles even WITH a lot less guns a hundred youths a years a killed by gun violence

We'll take our chances with knives fo sho!

Violence I can handle, its guns that are tricky. They are permanent violence, see it is hard to kill a person with your bare hands, so it is rarely an accident. People get maimed and killed even by ACCIDENT by guns all the time, let alone those who are shot or killed on purpose but in the heat of the moment. No guns= no opportunitysness. to kill so easily. Violence I can handle, its guns I don't want around.

thats the thing about guns, its a disconnected thing when you pull the trigger, whereas stabbing someone takes alot more viciousness, its alot more personal act. The right to bear arms is the single greatest fuck up in your otherwise exceptional constitution

[knox]

as for the guns reaching criminals, most of them aren't taken from citizens, most of them are legally purchased by people being paid to do so.

and as for stabbing in the UK, i'm sure the number is more significant than that, but still.

[SONIC GAIL]

I can see everyone's point here. But I am still going to keep my guns. Sorry, I'm not going to try and kill a rattle snake with a knife. I will protect my children so they can go outside. With out my dad's shotgun I would have had pretty much nothing to eat as a child, since our main source of food was deer meat and garden vegetables. I know you can live on only veggies but we did not have a soy bean processing plant to make fake meat with.

I really do not see why people cling on to the constitution for what they believe in and choose to ignore what others believe in from the constitution. For example:I personally do not agree with abortion, but it is a constitutional right and that is fine with me if people choose that path because it is thier right to do so in this country.

On another note we do need more gun control. We need more honest vendors that do follow the waiting periods and background checks. I am sure that gun violence would go down if we eliminated them, but it would still exist.

[SONIC GAIL]

As far as the shooting itself goes, this woman should not have even been teaching. She should have been in jail 20 years ago. Her history clearly shows that crappy police work in the 1980's allowed her to continue on a path of violence. Maybe if someone had paid some attention to her lack of mental stability she would have already been jailed years ago and it would not have come to this.

[knox]

other people's abortions do not affect you, other people's guns might.