[knox]

http://www.avaaz.org/en/wikileaks_petition?fp

[hevusa]

Originally Posted by knox

http://www.avaaz.org/en/wikileaks_petition?fp

cute.
your heart is in the right place at least.

[knox]

just sign it and shut up

[Toilet & Bowels]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

4chan striking back: priceless

what have 4chan done?

[knox]

they say the hackers that attacked the mastercard website

[afreespirit]

An old Dead Kennedy's song, Nazi punks Fuck off! has a line that goes "trash a bank if you got real balls". So to Julian Assange and wikileaks I simply say "leak secrets from Russia and China, if you got real balls".

[kinn]

russia suggested he be awarded the nobel peace prize.

so basically the mafia suggested he be awarded the nobel peace prize.

[Toilet & Bowels]

Originally Posted by afreespirit

An old Dead Kennedy's song, Nazi punks Fuck off! has a line that goes "trash a bank if you got real balls". So to Julian Assange and wikileaks I simply say "leak secrets from Russia and China, if you got real balls".

Or if you have a deathwish

[Genteel Death]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_794290.html

[tesla69]

Originally Posted by afreespirit

An old Dead Kennedy's song, Nazi punks Fuck off! has a line that goes "trash a bank if you got real balls". So to Julian Assange and wikileaks I simply say "leak secrets from Russia and China, if you got real balls".

considering the hundreds of thousands of people the US has killed in the last decade I'm pretty sure your comment is somewhat disingenuous...

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by SpaceCadetHayden

wikileaks deserves a fucking nobel. fuck

It suffers from a fundamental flaw, which would have avoided all this chaos had it been sorted out beforehand. You don't plan accidents, its just that you didn't plan well enough for them. Had WikiLeaks stayed pirate, stay underground, it could have maintained its presence, its force, its purpose, and yet remained enough off the radar to not get so caught up and make it such a push comes to shove situation.

again though, what upsets me most about all this is that the biggest waves are over the diplomatic faux paus and gossip, whereas the hard evidence of fucking WAR CRIMES has been merely glossed over.. what the fuck is wrong with people, I sincerely do not understand or empathize with it.

[ann ashtray]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

It suffers from a fundamental flaw, which would have avoided all this chaos had it been sorted out beforehand. You don't plan accidents, its just that you didn't plan well enough for them. Had WikiLeaks stayed pirate, stay underground, it could have maintained its presence, its force, its purpose, and yet remained enough off the radar to not get so caught up and make it such a push comes to shove situation.

again though, what upsets me most about all this is that the biggest waves are over the diplomatic faux paus and gossip, whereas the hard evidence of fucking WAR CRIMES has been merely glossed over.. what the fuck is wrong with people, I sincerely do not understand or empathize with it.

It would have sustained itself longer had it remained underground, true. However, it's hard to make any sort of real impact when the majority of people who are aware of the information you're trying to get out already agree with ya anyways.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by ann ashtray

It would have sustained itself longer had it remained underground, true. However, it's hard to make any sort of real impact when the majority of people who are aware of the information you're trying to get out already agree with ya anyways.

no no you misunderstand me. I mean logistically stay underground, why have gone so public, I mean paypal? Visa? Come off it, that shit is hardly pirate nor underground. They could have easily gotten the exact same publicity without having to exposed themselves so much. They went TOO public about this, the internet is full of hackers who make plenty of strictly anonoymous waves, and honestly when it first came out I thought that is entirely what WikiLeaks was all about? What could it expect when it tried to play revolutionary using the mechanisms of the establishment? Pirates use dope money stay off the radar, even the CIA knows that

[ann ashtray]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

no no you misunderstand me. I mean logistically stay underground, why have gone so public, I mean paypal? Visa? Come off it, that shit is hardly pirate nor underground. They could have easily gotten the exact same publicity without having to exposed themselves so much. They went TOO public about this, the internet is full of hackers who make plenty of strictly anonoymous waves, and honestly when it first came out I thought that is entirely what WikiLeaks was all about? What could it expect when it tried to play revolutionary using the mechanisms of the establishment? Pirates use dope money stay off the radar, even the CIA knows that

Loud + clear, friend.

[tw2113]

From what I understand, all the recent attacks are from the wikileaks supports trying to show their support against those who didn't go along with helping wikileaks. It's not the people behind wikileaks, that i know of, requesting or encouraging these acts.

[ploesj]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-..._b_793033.html

tee hee!

[knox]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

no no you misunderstand me. I mean logistically stay underground, why have gone so public, I mean paypal? Visa? Come off it, that shit is hardly pirate nor underground. They could have easily gotten the exact same publicity without having to exposed themselves so much. They went TOO public about this, the internet is full of hackers who make plenty of strictly anonoymous waves, and honestly when it first came out I thought that is entirely what WikiLeaks was all about? What could it expect when it tried to play revolutionary using the mechanisms of the establishment? Pirates use dope money stay off the radar, even the CIA knows that

I think you misunderstood. Wikileaks is not pirate or hacking, it is just a website that posts information sent to them, nothing illegal about it, nothing newspapers cannot do - in theory.

They wouldn't have gotten the same publicity and impact, because the real significance is not in the documents themselves (tho scary, nothing that people did not know or imagine) but what they're actually doing to this one person: ignoring laws, calling for execution, unfair accusations and procedures. That is saying something significant, that causes a reaction in people. It's not like they didn't know this was going to happen. It isn't about the documents it's about the fuss.

[knox]

Originally Posted by ploesj

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-..._b_793033.html

tee hee!

naomi wolf = always spot on.

[kinn]

the people doing the hacking of paypal etc. are not affliated with wikileaks in anyway. they are a completely separate group of hackers.

suchfriends' point about wikileaks staying "underground" doesn't make any kind of sense. they need donations to keep going, what is the point of leaking things if noone sees them? the whole point is visibility. there's no way to be "underground" and some how avoid the apparatus of the state when you leak its secrets, because if you are underground enough it will just be able to arrest you and noone will find out.

[knox]

Originally Posted by kinn

the people doing the hacking of paypal etc. are not affliated with wikileaks in anyway. they are a completely separate group of hackers.

suchfriends' point about wikileaks staying "underground" doesn't make any kind of sense. they need donations to keep going, what is the point of leaking things if noone sees them? the whole point is visibility. there's no way to be "underground" and some how avoid the apparatus of the state when you leak its secrets, because if you are underground enough it will just be able to arrest you and noone will find out.

if you think about what paypal, visa and the banks have been doing is somehow way more criminal than the hacking.

they're aiming for 1 million signatures, this could be really helpful so please sign:
http://www.avaaz.org/en/wikileaks_petition?fp